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Stryker
05-09-2009, 04:01 PM
Don't let this guy renew his seasons MLSE . Keep real fans in the seats.

www.bramptontickets.com/toronto fc.html

poppamidnight
05-09-2009, 04:12 PM
Don't let this guy renew his seasons MLSE . Keep real fans in the seats.

www.bramptontickets.com/toronto fc.html (http://www.bramptontickets.com/toronto%20fc.html)

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Jack
05-09-2009, 04:15 PM
Here's the right link

http://www.bramptontickets.com/toronto_fc.html

This is blatantly illegal.

james
05-09-2009, 04:18 PM
deffinitly thats bull shit, $75 to sit in 113. Face value is $23.

Stryker
05-09-2009, 04:19 PM
Thank you Jack for correcting the link. My daughter has the household computer tied up at the moment and PS3 web browser is a little restrictive.

dupont
05-09-2009, 04:21 PM
There was already a thread about this guy:

http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=10928

MLSE don't give a shit about this. They will never do anything.

ringoquads
05-09-2009, 04:22 PM
I see your point...I do.
On the other hand, I've been going to every type of live sporting event in Toronto since I was a kid. TFC, Leafs, Jays, Argos, ect.
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with scalping. At Toronto sporting events.....it's a time honoured tradition. Everytime I go to an event with my old man, he always knows a couple by name.
I don't see a problem.

deltox
05-09-2009, 04:24 PM
so wheres the address or contact number at the TFC front office where we can report this?

billyfly
05-09-2009, 04:28 PM
Is this Shadi the Bodi guy?

stugautz
05-09-2009, 04:30 PM
Can't we just add his phone number to every telemarketer and nigerian scam artist we know of?

CretanBull
05-09-2009, 04:32 PM
I see your point...I do.
On the other hand, I've been going to every type of live sporting event in Toronto since I was a kid. TFC, Leafs, Jays, Argos, ect.
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with scalping. At Toronto sporting events.....it's a time honoured tradition. Everytime I go to an event with my old man, he always knows a couple by name.
I don't see a problem.

You don't see a problem with a practice that keeps our members out of our section? That keeps supporters out of the South end on a week to week basis and exploits people who want to share in the experience that WE create?

ringoquads
05-09-2009, 04:40 PM
CretanBull,
I didn't see the original post from a south end of the stadium standpoint. My reply was just in general is all. I have never had a problem with it.

Super
05-09-2009, 04:45 PM
TFC doesn't care.

Stryker
05-09-2009, 04:45 PM
CretanBull,
I didn't see the original post from a south end of the stadium standpoint. My reply was just in general is all. I have never had a problem with it.
You really should though Mike... :D

deltox
05-09-2009, 04:51 PM
http://www.222tips.com/

deeznutz
05-09-2009, 05:37 PM
Can't we just add his phone number to every telemarketer and nigerian scam artist we know of?


And you don't think this is in the works by now? :p

Dave67
05-09-2009, 05:56 PM
Can't we just add his phone number to every telemarketer and nigerian scam artist we know of?


And you don't think this is in the works by now? :p

Be better off adding him to the National Do Not Call Registry. He'd probably get more calls :)

Fushida
05-09-2009, 06:01 PM
Not only scalping, but charging GST? THAT has to be illegal.

KdotOdot
05-09-2009, 06:06 PM
stop hating.

Ma'phukkas gotta eat.

SmokedPanda
05-09-2009, 07:14 PM
you guys should direct the cops to the area where the scalpers work around BMO and Shoeless..... tell them they are loitering and scalping, etc...... i wish MLSE did a better job of keeping tabs on their season ticket holders

mighty_torontofc_2008
05-09-2009, 07:33 PM
Not only scalping, but charging GST? THAT has to be illegal.


not if hes actually paying it

MartinUtd
05-09-2009, 07:33 PM
Signed him for a co-reg offer. Now the spammers can take care of him.

and just for any bots surfing the board:

contact@bramptontickets.com

:)

Kevin
05-10-2009, 05:40 AM
You don't see a problem with a practice that keeps our members out of our section? That keeps supporters out of the South end on a week to week basis and exploits people who want to share in the experience that WE create?


On the flip side of that argument, it allows peeps like myself who want to go to BMO a chance to share in the experience that ya'll create.

Rocco
05-10-2009, 06:22 AM
On the flip side of that argument, it allows peeps like myself who want to go to BMO a chance to share in the experience that ya'll create.


I see your point but you can easily get tickets at face value if you go through the ticket trader in various supporter boards. Here is RPB's TT:

http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=15

Kevin, you should never pay more than face value. I never have, never will. If we all didn't buy any tickets at an inflated price, scalpers will just stop doing what they do cuz they wont make a profit.

Fushida
05-10-2009, 07:17 AM
not if hes actually paying it

really? even if you're illegally selling a ticket at higher than face value and charging tax for it as a business?

Pinkie
05-10-2009, 08:34 AM
http://www.whois.net/whois/bramptontickets.com

it's not posting personal information if it's public

(is azerban, gives no shit about logins)

Mark in Ottawa
05-10-2009, 08:40 AM
I see your point...I do.
On the other hand, I've been going to every type of live sporting event in Toronto since I was a kid. TFC, Leafs, Jays, Argos, ect.
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with scalping. At Toronto sporting events.....it's a time honoured tradition. Everytime I go to an event with my old man, he always knows a couple by name.
I don't see a problem.
How about the fact it is against the law??
http://www.canadalegal.com/gosite.asp?s=1892

BigD
05-10-2009, 08:49 AM
really? even if you're illegally selling a ticket at higher than face value and charging tax for it as a business?

The federal government it happy to take taxes for anything. If you are selling goods and services for profit as a business you need to charge sales tax. They don't care what you are selling, that is a matter for a different authority.

The trouble with this is that this guy has not identified the seats, just the section and row. So it is hard to pin-point who this person is. Each pair could be llisted as a different SSH so TFC would have to launch an investigation or purchase the tickets to find out what seats they are and who the offending SSH is.

I am amused that this guy lists section 127 row 9 as nothing ... it is right in the middle of the NEE

egoodwin
05-10-2009, 09:01 AM
in the other ones for 127 he lists it as supporter section

Pookie
05-10-2009, 09:21 AM
in the other ones for 127 he lists it as supporter section

It is... NEE ;)

Scalping is one of those things where yes it is illegal but unless you have people complaining, enforcement isn't a priority.

Scalping is generally good for business. A higher priced secondary ticket market means that MLSE will sell out its tickets at face value.

It also increases demand for season seats, partial packs (ie. unload a bunch of Marlies tickets) as it makes TFC a hot ticket. Last season, we saw that they are starting to bundle Marlies/Leafs games together now. Buy a group of Marlies tickets and get 2 tickets to the Leafs.

The Leaf ticket is such a scarce entity and the secondary market can see purples go for $100-$125. People then have a choice to buy legit tickets to Marlies and Leafs for around the same price.

That bundling option wouldn't necessarily exist if the secondary ticket market was at or slightly above/below cost. People would just pay the "brokers" and not take the Marlies tickets (which is probably one of the best hockey values in town).

So, if it helps business, why would MLSE crack down on ticket resellers?

... other than the possibility that it wants in on the secondary ticket market action... as MLB and the NHL did in their partnerships with StubHub.

Jack
05-10-2009, 09:28 AM
It is... NEE ;)

Scalping is one of those things where yes it is illegal but unless you have people complaining, enforcement isn't a priority.

Scalping is generally good for business. A higher priced secondary ticket market means that MLSE will sell out its tickets at face value.

It also increases demand for season seats, partial packs (ie. unload a bunch of Marlies tickets) as it makes TFC a hot ticket. Last season, we saw that they are starting to bundle Marlies/Leafs games together now. Buy a group of Marlies tickets and get 2 tickets to the Leafs.

The Leaf ticket is such a scarce entity and the secondary market can see purples go for $100-$125. People then have a choice to buy legit tickets to Marlies and Leafs for around the same price.

That bundling option wouldn't necessarily exist if the secondary ticket market was at or slightly above/below cost. People would just pay the "brokers" and not take the Marlies tickets (which is probably one of the best hockey values in town).

So, if it helps business, why would MLSE crack down on ticket resellers?

... other than the possibility that it wants in on the secondary ticket market action... as MLB and the NHL did in their partnerships with StubHub.

Biggest scam.

These bastards are scalping their own tickets.

I will not buy from them, ever. I'd prefer to forego the event.

Mojo
05-10-2009, 10:14 AM
I see your point...I do.
On the other hand, I've been going to every type of live sporting event in Toronto since I was a kid. TFC, Leafs, Jays, Argos, ect.
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with scalping. At Toronto sporting events.....it's a time honoured tradition. Everytime I go to an event with my old man, he always knows a couple by name.
I don't see a problem.

Theres a problem with it because theyre buying tickets from the people who want to go and selling them at a price that isnt fair. And when they DONT sell them they just leave the seats empty meaning the fans that looked for tickets the legit way are being fucked over by these assholes.

nascarguy
05-10-2009, 12:33 PM
they need to do what greenday is doing A "FORCED WILL CALL" PROCEDURE what this you say?
GENERAL ADMISION FLOOR, SECTIONS 107, 108, 122, 123 AND FRONT OF SECTIONS 106 AND 124
THERE IS A TICKET LIMIT OF 4 PER PERSON IN THESE SECTIONS
TICKETS PURCHASED IN THESE SECTIONS WILL ONLY BE AVAILABLE FOR PICK UP NIGHT OF SHOW
ON THE NIGHT OF THE SHOW THE TICKET PURCHASER ALONG WITH ALL MEMBERS OF THE PARTY MUST PRESENT THE ORIGINAL CREDIT CARD USED, CONFIRMATION NUMBER AND PHOTO I.D TO OBTAIN THE TICKET
THE TICKETS WILL BE SCANNED AND YOU AND YOUR PARTY WILL BE ESCORTED IN THE VENUE. ONCE IN THE BUILDING YOU WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO LEAVE AT ANY POINT


now tfc needs to do this.

CretanBull
05-10-2009, 12:41 PM
On the flip side of that argument, it allows peeps like myself who want to go to BMO a chance to share in the experience that ya'll create.

If those seats weren't owned by scalpers, they'd be available to guys like you at face value. If you can't find tickets now part of the problem is the huge number of tickets that are owned by scalpers. If you're looking for tickets, your best bet is to join one of the supporter's groups (I'd recomend the RPBs :D) and become active within the group. There are always extra tickets floating around here.

TFC RealDeal RPB
05-10-2009, 05:03 PM
We need to protest to the MLSE about scalper having ticket's in the supporter's section.

mighty_torontofc_2008
05-10-2009, 06:32 PM
they need to do what greenday is doing A "FORCED WILL CALL" PROCEDURE what this you say?
GENERAL ADMISION FLOOR, SECTIONS 107, 108, 122, 123 AND FRONT OF SECTIONS 106 AND 124
THERE IS A TICKET LIMIT OF 4 PER PERSON IN THESE SECTIONS
TICKETS PURCHASED IN THESE SECTIONS WILL ONLY BE AVAILABLE FOR PICK UP NIGHT OF SHOW
ON THE NIGHT OF THE SHOW THE TICKET PURCHASER ALONG WITH ALL MEMBERS OF THE PARTY MUST PRESENT THE ORIGINAL CREDIT CARD USED, CONFIRMATION NUMBER AND PHOTO I.D TO OBTAIN THE TICKET
THE TICKETS WILL BE SCANNED AND YOU AND YOUR PARTY WILL BE ESCORTED IN THE VENUE. ONCE IN THE BUILDING YOU WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO LEAVE AT ANY POINT


now tfc needs to do this.


exactly ...no leaving BMO at half time and passing off tickets
omce you in your in..

eustacchio
05-10-2009, 06:40 PM
they need to do what greenday is doing A "FORCED WILL CALL" PROCEDURE what this you say?
GENERAL ADMISION FLOOR, SECTIONS 107, 108, 122, 123 AND FRONT OF SECTIONS 106 AND 124
THERE IS A TICKET LIMIT OF 4 PER PERSON IN THESE SECTIONS
TICKETS PURCHASED IN THESE SECTIONS WILL ONLY BE AVAILABLE FOR PICK UP NIGHT OF SHOW
ON THE NIGHT OF THE SHOW THE TICKET PURCHASER ALONG WITH ALL MEMBERS OF THE PARTY MUST PRESENT THE ORIGINAL CREDIT CARD USED, CONFIRMATION NUMBER AND PHOTO I.D TO OBTAIN THE TICKET
THE TICKETS WILL BE SCANNED AND YOU AND YOUR PARTY WILL BE ESCORTED IN THE VENUE. ONCE IN THE BUILDING YOU WILL NOT BE PERMITTED TO LEAVE AT ANY POINT


now tfc needs to do this.

In theory, this is a good idea. I've been to shows where this has happened. Do you how early you have to show up to get your tickets? Line ups are huge.

What if you ordered them for you and three of your friends and something comes up and you can't go? Nobody can go, and you've all lost your money.

It's defintely a great step in weeding out scalpers, but it's flawed for sure.

greatwhitenorf
05-10-2009, 06:50 PM
(905) 453-5988

That's the phone number listed on the scalper's page. Why not give him a call and try to coax out the various seat numbers in each row.

THEN - maybe - the club can intervene and shut him down.

But don't go calling him and blazing away with hate and vitriol. Be sly. Be a potential customer, several games worth in fact, and you'll soon find out what you need to learn. Greed will be his downfall.

prizby
05-10-2009, 07:33 PM
lol give it to him!

Kevin
05-10-2009, 07:40 PM
I see your point but you can easily get tickets at face value if you go through the ticket trader in various supporter boards. Here is RPB's TT:

http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=15 (http://www.redpatchboys.ca/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=15)

Kevin, you should never pay more than face value. I never have, never will. If we all didn't buy any tickets at an inflated price, scalpers will just stop doing what they do cuz they wont make a profit

Thanks for the advice. I'll remember to check there before making our trip later this year! :D




If those seats weren't owned by scalpers, they'd be available to guys like you at face value. If you can't find tickets now part of the problem is the huge number of tickets that are owned by scalpers. If you're looking for tickets, your best bet is to join one of the supporter's groups (I'd recomend the RPBs :D) and become active within the group. There are always extra tickets floating around here.

I would love to join (and be active) but I don't really know what I can do down here. :(

prizby
05-10-2009, 08:22 PM
It might be constructive to make a demonstration against scalpers at a game or multiple games (if necessary) for MLSE to get the picture. One of the key components to the home field atmosphere is the noise and passion the home fans have for TFC

If anyone has watch Football Factories (I am sure most of you have). In the one that was featured in Italy...the president of a support club was arrested for extorition (on the president of Lazio), the fans of the support club held a silent protest during Lazio's games.

What if the TFC supporters section went silent for a game or more, sat down, just watched the game and did very little of anything else, instead of bringing up the atmosphere at the games.

Do you not think MLSE would want the RPB, U-Sector etc, bringing their drums, waving their flags (not buying booze would also make a huge difference) etc etc...

Make MLSE have to choose, either appease the fans, the supporters, or appease the scalpers...i cannot see this being a hard decision for MLSE

stugautz
05-10-2009, 08:27 PM
http://411ca.whitepages.com/search/ReversePhone?phone=9054535988

Anybody try reverse 411 on that phone number?

prizby
05-10-2009, 08:29 PM
http://411ca.whitepages.com/search/ReversePhone?phone=9054535988

Anybody try reverse 411 on that phone number?


toilet paper his house at 3am, that'd be funny

BuSaPuNk
05-11-2009, 12:00 AM
Listen the cops outside BMO don't even give a shit. At the Vancouver game I was just around the corner of the box office waiting for JDG to pick some tickets up from me and there were easily 3-4 guys literally 10 feet away from the box office trying to sell seats. Three times atleast TO's finest walked right by and did nothing. I know the law and they really can't do anything until the sale is compleleted but they could have told them to get off the property. Nope nothing. When the law doesn't even care....why should we. Just don't give into there greed. The less people buy off them the less tickets they will take up.

Pookie
05-11-2009, 06:22 AM
Best action by a cop I saw was years ago at a Jays game (when the scalped tickets were actually above cost).

He walked up to a scalper in the middle of a transaction and asked him what he was selling the tickets for and reminded him of the fines. The guy regrettingly had to reply "at cost" and 2 lucky fans saved a few bucks.

Wildgreek
05-11-2009, 08:32 AM
TO's finest walked right by and did nothing. I know the law and they really can't do anything until the sale is compleleted but they could have told them to get off the property..

Under the Trespass to Property Act, cops cant kick them off the property unless they have direction from property managers... hence you need the property managers (MLSE) to tell the cops to charge the scalpers.

I think its lack of action from MLSE & MLS not local police. PLUS we all know how much of a joke the court system is and most charges would probable get dropped by the crown or a slap on the wrist at best.

Steve
05-11-2009, 08:49 AM
The federal government it happy to take taxes for anything. If you are selling goods and services for profit as a business you need to charge sales tax. They don't care what you are selling, that is a matter for a different authority.

The trouble with this is that this guy has not identified the seats, just the section and row. So it is hard to pin-point who this person is. Each pair could be llisted as a different SSH so TFC would have to launch an investigation or purchase the tickets to find out what seats they are and who the offending SSH is.

I am amused that this guy lists section 127 row 9 as nothing ... it is right in the middle of the NEE

Well, I can probably tell you which seats he owns in 223. I have seats 23,24,25 in row 19 of 223. Mysteriously, on rainy days, midweek games, etc, the ten seats to the left of mine (26-35ish) are always empty. Even when people do come and sit in those seats, they are different people every game, and they're never on time.

And put me down for being a little confused at this guy having a web site designed to sell tickets over face value, with GST added. Also, the tickets in 223 are the same price as those in the south end (despite face value being more than double).

mike_bouma
05-11-2009, 08:52 AM
Great idea, lets assault the guy for scalping tickets. After that lets close down the gardiner expressway. I love taking things too far!

ochos
05-11-2009, 09:02 AM
^^ eye of the beholder my friend.. as much as I disagree with shutting down the gardiner, you'd be pretty livid too if there were hundreds of people getting killed in your home country.

Steve
05-11-2009, 09:24 AM
^^ eye of the beholder my friend.. as much as I disagree with shutting down the gardiner, you'd be pretty livid too if there were hundreds of people getting killed in your home country.

Yep, and I would take that anger out on the people responsible, everyone driving around Toronto!

Gobi
05-11-2009, 09:35 AM
stop hating.

Ma'phukkas gotta eat.

(Not sure if this is sarcasm or genuine, but I'll go with the latter.)

We all have to eat. We all have to pay for the roof over our heads, etc. etc.
Does that justify any criminal behaviour in your opinion?

Ma'phukkas can get a legitimate and legal job, like the rest of us.

Calvin
05-11-2009, 09:38 AM
Can't we just add his phone number to every telemarketer and nigerian scam artist we know of?

craigs list, say youre some young girl that wants sex. post a pic of some hottie, not too hot. type out the number (four one six) etc. hell get about 200 calls in first 2 hours.

Kevvv
05-11-2009, 09:39 AM
Listen the cops outside BMO don't even give a shit. At the Vancouver game I was just around the corner of the box office waiting for JDG to pick some tickets up from me and there were easily 3-4 guys literally 10 feet away from the box office trying to sell seats. Three times atleast TO's finest walked right by and did nothing. I know the law and they really can't do anything until the sale is compleleted but they could have told them to get off the property. Nope nothing. When the law doesn't even care....why should we. Just don't give into there greed. The less people buy off them the less tickets they will take up.

Scalpers were selling below cost that game. On the plus side, the less lucrative it is scalp TFC tickets, the fewer scalpers.

Chewy Unikronik
05-11-2009, 10:03 AM
Ma'phukkas can get a legitimate and legal job, like the rest of us.
Here's on point that I have to disagree with. Not everyone is the same in this world. Not directly related to this individual, BUT... not everyone can or is willing to hold down a regular job.

We don't live in a utopia. There will always be black markets and illegal activity, such as this. In the same way that there will always be crime and homelessness and other situations that society frowns upon.

People (including myself) may not like what this guy is doing, but unless someone is being severely hurt by this, whether it be physically, monetarily or otherwise, then let him be.

Fort York Redcoat
05-11-2009, 10:10 AM
Scalpers=Scum

Use them and you keep them in business.

Not that simple? Fine Dress it up any way you like. What do they care about the club or what their customer does after the purchase?

KdotOdot
05-11-2009, 10:33 AM
(Not sure if this is sarcasm or genuine, but I'll go with the latter.)

We all have to eat. We all have to pay for the roof over our heads, etc. etc.
Does that justify any criminal behaviour in your opinion?

Ma'phukkas can get a legitimate and legal job, like the rest of us.

pffft

Even with a legitimate job a man needs a side hustle, whether it be scalping tickets, selling weed, or selling cigarettes. This whole damn continent was built up on criminal endeavors why stop now.

SuperTCP
05-11-2009, 10:34 AM
MLSE can do something about this guy, if not for scalping tickets (which is against the law) , at least for using the TFC Crest (Illegally) on his site.

MLSE should at least crack down on the scalpers in the supporters sections, as there are many of us stuck in dull sections (or with no seasons) just waiting to get in.

Chewy Unikronik
05-11-2009, 10:43 AM
MLSE should at least crack down on the scalpers in the supporters sections, as there are many of us stuck in dull sections (or with no seasons) just waiting to get in.
Highly unlikely, as this would only demonstrate preferential treatment and does nothing to boost their bottom line. If anything, they'd probably go after the more expensive ones first.

Pookie
05-11-2009, 11:51 AM
Gentlemen,

Be careful what you wish for.

At present, there is no business reason for MLSE to shut down scalpers. In fact, scalpers who sell secondardary tickets at a profit drive demand for tickets issued by MLSE.

The only business reason that exists to shut down scalping would be if MLSE had a share in the secondary ticket market.

In some ways, they do through the Ticket Exchange and make a marginal profit off "surcharges." In this case, scalping too helps their business.

MLSE's secondary ticket prices are lower than the scalper "market" therefore they are more likely to sell their tickets on the exchange and capture the fees.

Here's the careful what you wish for part. If MLS enters into a partnership with groups like Stubhub, MLSE (and others) will clamp down on the secondary ticket market. Essentially, trying to drive all ticket sales through that site so as to be able to capture a percentage of the sale. MLSE could make a % of a higher sale value which means more profit.

They have no legal liability as the seller carries all the risk to ensure that they "respect local ticket laws." MLB and the NHL already have agreements with stubhub.

In this scenario, Stubhub becomes the monopoly and opportunities for fans to get at other secondary ticket markets dwindles. Prices go up.

If you really want to shut down scalpers, use the exchange. Buy 'em for friends or family. Show MLSE that providing a venue for selling tickets at cost can be profitable and the right thing for a corporation to do.

sully
05-11-2009, 12:16 PM
It's just amazing to me that not only is it illegal but it's publicly illegal and what'll be done??

prizby
05-11-2009, 06:41 PM
i shall find out soon :)

BuSaPuNk
05-11-2009, 10:31 PM
Scalpers were selling below cost that game. On the plus side, the less lucrative it is scalp TFC tickets, the fewer scalpers.

Yeah they kept saying that....thought that was just to get some people thinking then hike the price up to usual. Oh well what can you do, like it has been said MLSE/MLS don't care good for there product. And I know I speak for everyone here that we all don't want to get to the point where the product is that bad we don't have any scalpers at all.

Mark in Ottawa
05-12-2009, 08:11 AM
Listen the cops outside BMO don't even give a shit.
Sad but true... at the May 2nd game my son wanted to get in to BMO early and check out the stadium via a "walk about" before kick-off.

We went to gate 3 one hour before the start time on the ticket expecting the gates to open then but ended up waiting for the 15 minutes.

It took literally 30 seconds for the first scalper to approach me but when I told him "sorry.. I can't afford to buy a ticket and go to jail for it" he backed off in a hurry. I watched the 6 or 7 seven scalpers at that gate "network" together a few times and I think one or more of em thought I was potential trouble so they stayed well clear.

Police officers at the parking lot cross walk and around the gates paid no attention at all. The cops bike brigade came by too but they didn't seem to interested either.

C.Ronaldo
05-12-2009, 08:20 AM
^its an arrest, not a ticket. so the cops wont meet any quotas and just end up wasting their time.


Why is ticket scalping illegal again? Really doesnt make sense to waste tax money on prosecuting "ticket sales"

its as dumb as arresting someone for having a J on them (unfortunately this one happens all too often)

prizby
05-12-2009, 03:50 PM
Apparenlty TFC is well aware of this guy and his website, but there "hands are tied" and cannot do anything about it, all they can do is limit the extra tickets he buys (if its through his account)...you have to find other ways to get MLSE's attention...

I suggested one on page 2, about a silent game, or everyone could write letters to MLSE, or even start a petition, or a combination of ideas

Toronto Ruffrider
05-12-2009, 04:07 PM
^its an arrest, not a ticket. so the cops wont meet any quotas and just end up wasting their time.


Why is ticket scalping illegal again? Really doesnt make sense to waste tax money on prosecuting "ticket sales"

its as dumb as arresting someone for having a J on them (unfortunately this one happens all too often)

Depends on who the scalpers are. Some scalpers are nothing but violent thugs who will pick fights with people if they think their turf is being invaded by competition. These types of goons should be arrested without hesitation.

Jack
05-12-2009, 04:09 PM
^its an arrest, not a ticket. so the cops wont meet any quotas and just end up wasting their time.


Why is ticket scalping illegal again? Really doesnt make sense to waste tax money on prosecuting "ticket sales"

its as dumb as arresting someone for having a J on them (unfortunately this one happens all too often)
Because they create artificial demand for a product and then profit off of it.

They are parasites of the worst kind. They have devised all sorts of means to get tickets ahead of the legitimate fans and purchasers then they turn around and raise the price on people. TicketsNow, StubHub and all these other sites full of scumbag scam artists should be shut down.

H Bomb
05-12-2009, 04:12 PM
^^well said. the worst of the worst. Like ambulance chasing lawyers. They capitalize on money itself, and they should be stopped. But instead they have to make sure we're still being nice and organized at the Tailgate so they can write us tickets for that. Dont you love it when the law works

Toronto Ruffrider
05-12-2009, 04:13 PM
Because they create artificial demand for a product and then profit off of it.

They are parasites of the worst kind. They have devised all sorts of means to get tickets ahead of the legitimate fans and purchasers then they turn around and raise the price on people. TicketsNow, StubHub and all these other sites full of scumbag scam artists should be shut down.

I still don't know how Ticketmaster continually gets away with owning that site. The connection between the two sites is so blatantly fraudulent.

Jack
05-12-2009, 04:18 PM
Then you have StubHub, which has a deal with MLB and the NHL to resell their tickets! It's really not about the fans anymore, but about how much these bloodsuckers can leach out of our pockets.

Pookie
05-13-2009, 05:02 AM
^ I agree with what you said, except for the part about creating artificial demand for the tickets.

Scalping is true supply and demand. If you have a Coldplay ticket on Stubhub, you are likely to sell it and sell it for a profit if you want.

If you have a "Vince Neil Sings Air Supply's Classics" ticket on Stubhub, it's probably not going to go for anything less than a bag of peanuts.

With Stubhub, the corporations have found a very clever way to profit from scalping. They make a fixed percentage of the sale yet the legal onus is on the seller to ensure that they "comply with local ticket reselling laws." Obviously, the higher the resale value, the higher the $ becomes. 10% of 100 is more than 10% of 50.

That's why, IMO, it is incredibly important for us to encourage the use of the Ticket Exchange. There MLSE makes a profit on the resale of tickets at face value.

By driving volume to the exchange and away from Stubhub (and others like it) you establish a reasonable business case to keep the exchange open. You also establish a market trend in that TFC fans will not use those scalping sites to purchase tickets. That makes any potential business partnership (ala MLB or NHL) less desireable.

Similarly, from the seller's end, while scalping is frowned upon... if someone can't sell their tickets through the exchange but knows that they will get action on Stubhub (not necessarily for a profit) they will post them there. It's one thing to be against scalping but it's another to let a pair of $70 tickets go unused. It's like throwing away $140. If those sites become a popular destination to post tickets, it becomes attractive for MLSE and/or MLS to explore a partnership.

If you really want to have an impact, drive volume through the exchange. Get tickets for your friends and family. Post them there. Use it or lose it.

Jack
05-13-2009, 06:49 AM
The thing is, there is a fixed supply. The scalpers then go and buy up hundreds of tickets (or thousands, who really knows?) and resell them at a profit.

If these leaches did not do this, those tickets would go into the hands of hundreds or thousands of fans at the original price set by the event promoter, which is as it should be. The scalpers have all sorts of line-jumping methods to ensure they get the tickets ahead of the people who want them for the purpose of entertainment, not profit.

Supply and demand? I suppose I could go to a grocery store and buy all the milk and then double the price and sell it on Ebay? Maybe I could create MilkHub and "milk" the public for all their worth. I realize that tickets are not an essential food item, but what's to stop me? I bet I could make some damn good money.

This is organized crime.

pubboy
05-13-2009, 07:19 AM
The thing is, there is a fixed supply. The scalpers then go and buy up hundreds of tickets (or thousands, who really knows?) and resell them at a profit.

If these leaches did not do this, those tickets would go into the hands of hundreds or thousands of fans at the original price set by the event promoter, which is as it should be. The scalpers have all sorts of line-jumping methods to ensure they get the tickets ahead of the people who want them for the purpose of entertainment, not profit.

Supply and demand? I suppose I could go to a grocery store and buy all the milk and then double the price and sell it on Ebay? Maybe I could create MilkHub and "milk" the public for all their worth. I realize that tickets are not an essential food item, but what's to stop me? I bet I could make some damn good money.

This is organized crime.

I think the vast majority of fans on this site agree 100%. Has MLSinToronto commented on this topic, as it seems to be one of the few constants that everyone is in agreement with.

Jack
05-13-2009, 07:26 AM
Team management has, at best, paid lip service to this issue. But I have seen very little initiative or desire on their part to address this issue.

The current laws on this stuff are weak enough as it is.

shawn6597
05-13-2009, 07:40 AM
Depends on who the scalpers are. Some scalpers are nothing but violent thugs who will pick fights with people if they think their turf is being invaded by competition. These types of goons should be arrested without hesitation.

this is truth.

I was pretty sure I was going to have to fight a scalper at the Vancouver game.
He saw my argyle scarf and asked where I got it. Of course I told him it was an RPB thing. He began telling me how he didnt appreciate the SGs badmouthing scalpers and that what he was doing wasnt illegal because he sold for below face value. He then went on to say that he was able to sell for below face because he had an inside source at BMO selling him tickets for cheap LOL

at this point I walked away from the clown only to be followed by him right until I got to the gate. We traded remarks along the way but WOW this guy was douchebag!

Mark in Ottawa
05-13-2009, 08:03 AM
Supply and demand? I suppose I could go to a grocery store and buy all the milk and then double the price and sell it on Ebay? Maybe I could create MilkHub and "milk" the public for all their worth. I realize that tickets are not an essential food item, but what's to stop me? I bet I could make some damn good money.

This is organized crime.

:D Milkhub??
Classic!

I wonder what our provincial members of parliament would think of this idea?

KdotOdot
05-13-2009, 08:04 AM
So who needs tickets?

Tickets I got tickets! TFC, Warped Tour, Rock the Bells, I yells I sells, Tickets who needs tickets!!!

Pigfynn
05-13-2009, 08:16 AM
Why can't MLSE ask a suspected scalper to prove that he is not one? It's their event and they are the primary tenant at BMO, could they not ask them to prove they haven't been selling their tickets for profit and not attending the games themselves?

nfitz
05-13-2009, 09:02 AM
Why can't MLSE ask a suspected scalper to prove that he is not one?They've shown time and time again that they aren't concerned about the issue; as have the police. Clearly they are benefiting somehow - or they just don't care. So why should we?

bones
05-13-2009, 09:03 AM
I think all season tickets should be on a plastic card (I.E. the members card we get with the schedule on it every year) that has a bar code for ALL the games you've paid for. The card should have your full name and address on it and can be verified upon request via photo id, (say a drivers license or health card or whatever) NO paper tickets to print and sell to people individually. Significantly less chance of scalping using this method. No plan is foolproof but this would help.

There is the problem of those that can't go to games and want to sell tickets legit but maybe cards can be issued at the will call window the day of the game and this way the only way movement of tickets can happen is through a controlled process and MLSE can see how many transactions are being done to revoke seasons from scalpers.

Just a thought.

Bones...

Mark in Ottawa
05-13-2009, 10:49 AM
Maybe all of the supporters should just whip out their cellphones and start recording or taking pictures...
"oooohhh look a SCALPER! Quick take their picture before they become extinct" !!