Merged Carver threads

[GrimsbyTown]

Heard it on the Fan 590.

Carver resigns for personal reasons....



Some links....

http://sports.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090425.wsptcarverout0425/GSStory/GlobeSportsSoccer/home

http://my.thescore.com/footyblog/default.aspx

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2009/04/john-carver-resigns-as-toronto-fc-head-coach.html

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2009/04/25/sp-john-carver.html

[djcuse]

Breaking News...

more to come on this...
staytuned...

[S_D]

bailed before fired?

I guess he will go back to England with Shearer.

Good luck Carver. I may not have agreed with what you did on the pitch but nobody can question your passion.

[Brooker]

jesus christ?!?!?!?!?!?!? CARVER QUIT?!??

WHAT THE FUCK

SERIOUSLY THATS CRAZY

[GrimsbyTown]

bailed before fired?

I guess he will go back to England with Shearer.

Good luck Carver. I may not have agreed with what you did on the pitch but nobody can question your passion.

It will be interesting to see how this one plays out eh?

Since it was for "personal reasons", I must add I hope its nothing bad.

[djcuse]

Soccercentral on Sportsnet will have more on this at 12 noon today after the Chelsea/West ham match

[johnmolinaro]

just got word. more to come soon.

John

[Brooker]

i cant fucking wait that long... jesus he quit? wtf?!

[stretchthetruth]

what the FUCK!?!?!?!?!

[mclaren]

Heard it on the Fan 590.

Carver resigns for personal reasons....

link/evidence etc.

[scooter]

wtf
who knows more on this?

[cuecas_red]

http://my.thescore.com/footyblog/default.aspx

[stretchthetruth]

ah fuck, this is pretty fucked up stuff... FUCK!

[S_D]

lol...

5 new threads including 1 from John Molinaro in the news section should do it :)

[Ratven]

err...

[GrimsbyTown]

link/evidence etc.

Well, I can't link something I heard on the radio, but John Molinaro just posted it after I did.

Maybe just stay tuned and the evidence will present itself.

I can't find any yet, but it will come.

[Ladies Love Julius James]

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA.

Back to Newcastle. Seen it a mile away.

[London]

so who's all red army is it now????

[dag]

Very, very interesting.

[Daveisonfire]

WHAT????:eek:

[BFin]

Already reported.
Close thread.

[Marco2K]

FUck him.

Who bails 6 games into the season.

[Suds]

more on soccer central at noon

[Nuvinho]

what the.........

[Rochdale]

Just heard on radio that John Carver has resigned.

[Krasno.pL.]

Wow.
Shocking.

[sweetlemon69]

sweet, finally he's gone. hopefully cummings implements a more possession oriented style

[spinx]

just popped up on the Cheslea game on Sportsnet too :(

[Ladies Love Julius James]

FUck him.

Who bails 6 games into the season.


Confirmed. There is something underlying in all of this. I suspect it's Newcastle.

[marshall_law]

confirmed on sportsnet (west ham vs. chelsea)

no word on tfc home page

[Red CB Toronto]

So what are we going to do with all our " In Carver We Trust" scarfs that I believe that a lot of you have ordered but not recieved yet, should be interesting. I have been quite proud to wear mine this year. I even had JC sign it at the event he and DeRo did at BMO.

[wzhxvy]

Let the speculation begin...didnt he say he would resign if there was no DP at some point ???

This is not good...because no matter what you thought of him, this looks bad on the organization, and is a poor reflection on Mo. Maybe he saw the writing on the wall with Mo, getting ready to throw him under the bus. Maybe he has an offer for next season...maybe he is pissed at Mo for trading a functional CB and then trying to blame him for losses...it could be so many things and we are very likely never to find out why exactly..

[BFin]

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2009/04/john-carver-resigns-as-toronto-fc-head-coach.html

Article on SBI

[Rochdale]

Time to get a non English manager.

[Sonny Cheeba]

better stop the order on the in carver we trust tshirts

[S_D]

So what are going to do with all our " In Carver We Trust" scarfs that I believe that a lot of you have ordered but not recieved yet, should be interesting.

send them to the Newcastle fans :noidea:

[BFin]

Ives says it's because he wants to head to Newcastle to work for Shearer.

[Frenchy]

yeah I saw that, what's the deal??

[THA BUTCHA]

awesome....

[TFC07]

So what are going to do with all our " In Carver We Trust" scarfs that I believe that a lot of you have ordered but not recieved yet, should be interesting.

Talk about getting owned!!!! :D

[werewolf]

Jurgen Klinsmann will be looking for a job in a couple weeks...

[TFC07]

awesome....

Indeed. I hope we get a better coach ASAP.

[icecoldbeer]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Sonny Cheeba]

Confirmed. There is something underlying in all of this. I suspect it's Newcastle.

yeah the Championship is more desirable than MLS. Cunt, he's been thinking about this for a while. fuck him.

[Krasno.pL.]

Wow
im in disbelief
toooo bad NewCastle did not "buy" him from us..
if thats the case..

[Lucky Strike]

So who thinks it was Cummins that was in charge of the Chivas match all along after all. The tactics were so different, the play was so different. What do you guys think?

I'm going to miss his passion for sure, you could see he wanted to win, but the KKKolumbus, Seattle and the two Dallas matches gave me some doubts about him.

[sully]

wow! Hart anyone?

[mclaren]

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/soccer/story/2009/04/25/sp-john-carver.html

[Daveisonfire]

Well he did say he would leave if we didn't get a DP, but I wouldn't be surprised if he was pried back to Newcastle by Shearer and co.

[S_D]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


Either you loved carver or ordered a scarf :D

I'm guessing it is the scarf lol

[scooter]

hold off till we hear more -- we dont need a lot of feet in mouths here
its for personal reasons - hope no one is sick or something
its disturbing news but john carver is a stand up guy
so lets wait till noon for the scoop

[mclaren]

I wish Mo had gone instead.

[spinx]

I am willing to bet he was fed up with the BS level of ref'ing in MLS and couldn't take it anymore

[Lucky Strike]

Ives says it's because he wants to head to Newcastle to work for Shearer.

He'll be working in the championship next year, then.

[Ladies Love Julius James]

yeah the Championship is more desirable than MLS. Cunt, he's been thinking about this for a while. fuck him.

hahaahahaa so that's the reason he wanted up on the press box. Wanted Cummings to get his first taste of how it will be as a coach.

[TFC07]

GOOD!!! THIS IS GREAT NEWS!!!

Now we need Mo to resigns!

[Wagner]

http://tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=276423

[Ladies Love Julius James]

I am willing to bet he was fed up with the BS level of ref'ing in MLS and couldn't take it anymore


I'll raise you once he heard Shearer took over he knew he was on the first ticket out of here, just waited for the inevitable phone call.

[sully]

I am willing to bet he was fed up with the BS level of ref'ing in MLS and couldn't take it anymore

at the least, it must have been a factor

[Wagner]

Jurgen Klinsmann will be looking for a job in a couple weeks...

I like where you're going with this...

[wzhxvy]

I think people owe Ensco (I think thats the dude's nickname) an apology for badgering the poor guy for saying something was up....

[Brooker]

im disappointed..... ive supported him threw all of the bullshit.. and he just quits?

hopefully there is some kind of explanation.

[Ladies Love Julius James]

hopefully there is some kind of explanation.


http://www.toonarmynyc.com/Alan_Shearer_202082c.jpg

[MrHawk]

time to bring in Slaven Bilic ;)

I seriously wonder what these personal issues are.

[UltraFootyKWC]

Confirmed. There is something underlying in all of this. I suspect it's Newcastle.

I agree

[Wagner]

Between the crappy reffing
and the lure of Newcastle...
i bet that's the case.

It's really unfair of him to do this to the team at this point in the season.
We are just turning the corner after a not so great stretch.

I guess something was up last week, and that's why cummins was doing the press yesterday, and had the coy answers regarding where Carver will be for future games.

[dag]

I look forward to Newcastle's relegation.

[egoodwin]

so much for the johnny carver scarves

[Sonny Cheeba]

time to bring in Slaven Bilic ;)

I seriously wonder what these personal issues are.

sutton said "i just can't shower with you anymore John, i have a kid you know? gotta keep up appearances"

[Red CB Toronto]

Something has to be going on behind the scenes, JC has great passion for the game, it came through each time I saw him at BMO and when he did interviews. If you are from England and soccer is your life, the Premier League is where you want to be, heck most people in the world would want to also.

I know some people will just crap on him as being a quitter, I would never say that, he has great passion for this team and he expressed it, I just think there is no better place than home.

[Brooker]

Carver i swear to fuck..... give me a good reason for deserting us....

i look like a fucking idiot for defending you!

[Wagner]

over/under on people that missed the news today, and start a "john carver's -all red army" chant tomorrow at either the tailgate or in the stands??

[wzhxvy]

ha ha cheeba...makes perfect sense

Maybe he got tired of the crappy weather...cloudy, raining and cold all the time...oh never mind, he is going back to England !

[Pookie]

Let the speculation begin...didnt he say he would resign if there was no DP at some point ???

This is not good...because no matter what you thought of him, this looks bad on the organization, and is a poor reflection on Mo. Maybe he saw the writing on the wall with Mo, getting ready to throw him under the bus. Maybe he has an offer for next season...maybe he is pissed at Mo for trading a functional CB and then trying to blame him for losses...it could be so many things and we are very likely never to find out why exactly..

It could be all of those things IF you forget the fact that this is the MLS. It can only be spun to be earth shattering IF you forget the fact that this is the MLS.

Players aspire to the highest level. The MLS is not the highest level. Good players will move overseas. The players that remain are either not good enough to play overseas or on the downside of their careers.

The same is true for a coach. A coach desires to "raise his game" just as much as players. If Carver indeed lands back in the EPL, he is in the EPL for pete's sake.

That sure beats playing to crowds of under 10,000 on the road. It beats qualifying for our version of a Champions League.

I'm sure he did enjoy his time here. Just as players enjoy their time in the AHL or "AAA" Pacific Coast League for baseball. But they want more.

Don't read too much into this. Accept what this is. It is most likely a coach with aspirations and a desire for the big show. We are not the big show.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

[Redpunkfiddle]

Anybody want a Tshirt?

[wzhxvy]

Do we have time for a "Thank you Carver" banner for tomorrow ???

[phonzo]

well..thats shit

[MartinUtd]

In WHO we trust?

Seriously.. what an asshole. To do this without warning is inexcusable. I hope he shits Newcastle out of the football league like he did with Luton.

[Ladies Love Julius James]

Something has to be going on behind the scenes, JC has great passion for the game, it came through each time I saw him at BMO and when he did interviews. If you are from England and soccer is your life, the Premier League is where you want to be, heck most people in the world would want to also.

I know some people will just crap on him as being a quitter, I would never say that, he has great passion for this team and he expressed it, I just think there is no better place than home.


While I agree there is a certain amount of perfessionalism required. Wait til the season is over, wait until the team is stable enough and found another replacement, etc. etc. Don't leave em high and dry.

Many coaches have done this, the last one I could remember is Roy Williams when he left Kansas for UNC, he waited til the end of the season.

[Sonny Cheeba]

Do we have time for a "Thank you Carver" banner for tomorrow ???

nope. at least not until he states his reasons. and if it's the DP thing then sure. but i can't see him leaving now over a DP.

it's Newcastle and his new shower buddy Alan.

[Sonny Cheeba]

where's Giambac?

[Ladies Love Julius James]

nope. at least not until he states his reasons. and if it's the DP thing then sure. but i can't see him leaving now over a DP.

it's Newcastle and his new shower buddy Alan.


Agreed. MLSE wouldn't have pulled the plug just 5 games in.

It wasn't because of the refs because he tolerated them all last season.

The DP thing doesn't add up because the team hasnt played downright awful this season, just underachieved.

[BC101]

LOL!!!!!!!!! Go Sonny Cheeba!

[werewolf]

Maybe we can get Steve McLaren to leave FCT for TFC.

[TFC07]

In WHO we trust?

Seriously.. what an asshole. To do this without warning is inexcusable. I hope he shits Newcastle out of the football league like he did with Luton.

Hopefully not Mo Johnson.

[FluSH]

unbelievable...

I blame all of you on this board... lol

[Dub Narcotic]

Very poor record in MLS and quits on the team at the first opportunity, what a joke. I can't believe people continue to get snookered by this mediocre con man. That geordie accent won't bail you out in Newcastle, John, not that it will probably matter on that doomed franchise. I see this as very positive for TFC.

[TFC07]

where's Giambac?

He is probably too busy fist pumping :noidea:

[Ratven]

Honestly we don't need thank you banners... he hasn't done anything. The idea was that we trusted him to DO SOMETHING with the team, and all he's done is leave... with a high probability that he left for a better job opportunity and nothing else.

[Erkan16]

maybe we were going to let him go... so they gave him the option to have some dignity and quit before he got "fired".

it could happen.

[mclaren]

Maybe Mo Johnston wants his old job back?

[Sonny Cheeba]

He is probably too busy doing the pump fist :noidea:

i'm guessing he woke up. read this, then thought it was a dream and is running around outside in his jammies asking people to pinch him.

[wzhxvy]

Sonny you do have a thing for showers...and I like Carver, I think he is a good guy but his coaching was questionable. I do think loyalty is a two way street. If you work for a boss that you know will tank you when there is heat on him...you in turn can not be expected to be loyal.....soooo when an opportunity comes up ...you jump. I think most of us would do that.

[Ratven]

Although if he wasn't coaching last game and it's any indication... then we CAN thank him for allowing some tactics to actually come into our game by leaving.

[mclaren]

maybe we were going to let him go... so they gave him the option to have some dignity and quit before he got "fired".

it could happen.

I wouldn't give MLSE that much credit.

[rocktml]

Dale Mitchell!!!

[THA BUTCHA]

I hope this is a lesson to all those people who constantly deify players and coaches.
People will always come and go.

the CLUB is forever....

The players and coaches should be looked at as tools THE CLUB uses to win.
nothing more, nothing less

[Erkan16]

I wouldn't give MLSE that much credit.

yeah... your probably right.

[Ageroo]

Dale Mitchell!!!

Don't get crazy.....:D

[Super]

I know a lot of people wanted to get rid of Carver due to the instability and the lacking results, so now at least he's gone. I for one am disappointed. I would've loved to see him finish the season, but I always knew he'd go back to England if the right opportunity came along. Oh well. All the best, Carver!

[cy43]

The Globe is reporting he was upset about not being backed up by MLSE after being fined last week.

http://sports.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090425.wsptcarverout0425/GSStory/GlobeSportsSoccer/home

[phonzo]

Dale Mitchell!!!

:rofl:

[Azerban]

Do we have time for a "Thank you Carver" banner for tomorrow ???


In WHO we trust?


"In who do we trust" would be a much better banner.

[Torcida]

My first though when I saw the formation on Wednesday was that Mo forced John to play that formation. I wonder if we find out that's true.

nvm, that theory, I didn't know he wasn't on the bench on Wednesday.

[Ladies Love Julius James]

The Globe is reporting he was upset about not being backed up by MLSE after being fined last week.

http://sports.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090425.wsptcarverout0425/GSStory/GlobeSportsSoccer/home


hahahhaah wtf. He wanted them to pay the $750??? He also has a history of going at refs.

http://www.thescore.ca/blogs/footy/carver-fight-2-stu-forster.jpg

[Red CB Toronto]

JC is the man, as we all know Newcastle will take him in a heart beat, nothing is better than home, so lets all celebrate the passion he brought and hope it remains as we head into the future.

[FluSH]

Fuck... I'm actually sad over this...

[Sonny Cheeba]

Sonny you do have a thing for showers...and I like Carver, I think he is a good guy but his coaching was questionable. I do think loyalty is a two way street. If you work for a boss that you know will tank you when there is heat on him...you in turn can not be expected to be loyal.....soooo when an opportunity comes up ...you jump. I think most of us would do that.

you sound dirty. shower perhaps?

the Y in scarborough is always a good time. hahaha


like i said, no banner or thank yous until there is reason from the mouth of John. He'll be clean but will have a bit of Alan on his breath

[Ladies Love Julius James]

"In who do we trust" would be a much better banner.


Bloody Brilliant.

[loconet]

well, that sucks.... :(.

the question is, Is he taking Winsper with him?

[Sonny Cheeba]

Fuck... I'm actually sad over this...

i'm just frustrated right now. want to see what the man says first.

[BC101]

"In who do we trust" would be a much better banner.
http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs025.snc1/2568_71181258063_710058063_2332981_672530_n.jpg

:D

[Lucky Strike]

Actually, my biggest concern is that Winsper and Cummins will want to leave as they were closely associated with him.

[spezz44]

i thought it said re-signs when i first read it, im to hung over for this right now, i mean come on, i really hope their is a good reason behind this.

[FluSH]

last game to wear those Carver scarves...

[T_Mizz]

I'm wondering how long this was coming specifically with respect to last week. Was that perhaps a Cummins/Dasovic lineup last game?

[MartinUtd]

Maybe we should break out "we deserve better" again

[Ladies Love Julius James]

Like Flush I blame this board. Jinxed it with the donation because of Carver :D

[Lucky Strike]

I'm wondering how long this was coming specifically with respect to last week. Was that perhaps a Cummins/Dasovic lineup last game?

That's what I thought earlier in this thread: the formation, tactics and the way the team played was just too different for it to be a Carver lineup.

[Torcida]

Chris Cummins' All Red Army...?

[GingerNinja]

So are we getting Cummins for the rest of the Season then Danny D steps in next year???

[DOMIN8R]

There is another shoe to drop today....or tomorrow - me thinks.

[kitchener-TFC]

jesus christ?!?!?!?!?!?!? CARVER QUIT?!??

WHAT THE FUCK

SERIOUSLY THATS CRAZY
Ditto!
What the fuck? I liked Carver!
This fucking sucks! He probably had enough with the shit reffing, and wanted to go back to better football. I don't blame him.

If anyone is to replace him, it should be Cummins.

[werewolf]

Like Flush I blame this board. Jinxed it with the donation because of Carver :D

Maybe now we just have to cover Barrett's fine.

[Nuvinho]

Does anyone think the team chemistry may be effected negatively? ie. some of the guys who had problems with other coaches in the league......you know who I am talking about.

[Ladies Love Julius James]

hahaahahah still make the donation though I'd change the name. Just give it to the CNIB without a reason.

[TFCAlbertaGirl]

Fuck... I'm actually sad over this...

Me too, sad and kinda pissed, not sure just at who yet but pissed none the less!

[Jack]

Here's my theory:

Carver gets a call from Alan asking if he wants to come home. Carver's not sure so he lets Mo know he's thinking about it.

Mo tells Carver that he needs to make up his mind and until he does, he goes upstairs. Carver makes his decision to go and tells Mo.

All of the crap lately probably made the decision easier for him and seeing the team do well on the pitch with him upstairs probably gave him the feeling that he could leave them in good hands.

Mo, I know you're reading this! Let us know what's going on!

[Daveisonfire]

There is another shoe to drop today....or tomorrow - me thinks.

Do you know something we don't?

[BC101]

LOL
ZW6uQ8tt6_Y

[mclaren]

"In 36 MLS games, Carver led Toronto FC to 11 wins, 15 defeats and 10 draws."

[FluSH]

hahaahahah still make the donation though I'd change the name. Just give it to the CNIB without a reason.


ooooooooooooh shit! :eek:

Does anyone else feel like we got euchred?

Carver Banner
Carver Scarves
CNIB Match the Carver donation

-ouch-

I want an explination at some point...

[Sonny Cheeba]

LOL
ZW6uQ8tt6_Y

hahahadshf aklsdfhaafhs haeh i forgot about that!

[FluSH]

Here's my theory:

Carver gets a call from Alan asking if he wants to come home. Carver's not sure so he lets Mo know he's thinking about it.

Mo tells Carver that he needs to make up his mind and until he does, he goes upstairs. Carver makes his decision to go and tells Mo.

All of the crap lately probably made the decision easier for him and seeing the team do well on the pitch with him upstairs probably gave him the feeling that he could leave them in good hands.

Mo, I know you're reading this! Let us know what's going on!


Exactly...

[DOMIN8R]

Do you know something we don't?

No, I don't. But there are a few signs that something else is about to be announced. But Idon't know what it might be.

[BC101]

ooooooooooooh shit! :eek:

Does anyone else feel like we got euchred?

Carver Banner
Carver Scarves
CNIB Match the Carver donation

-ouch-

I want an explination at some point...
Don't forget Carver Tshirts by Mcgriff the snitching crime dog...
17sEq7HX2QE

[GeorgeB]

this explains Amado's goal celebration(the arm wave) ,i think he and the whole team are glad carver is out and showed it by the way they played wednesday.

[Vince Whirlwind]

The Newcastle connection (Carver/Robert) never really amounted to too much, did it?

[TFC_Chris]

Ensco,
Why is it that your speculation on the coaching situation comes true?
From now on, you are only allowed to speculate on us winning every game for the rest of the season.
:D

[mclaren]

The Newcastle connection (Carver/Robert) never really amounted to too much, did it?

Any Newcastle connection rarely does.

[loconet]

Anyone has a list of managers currently out of the job? ....

[torontocelt]

These things happen in football, I cannot say I am upset. Some of the football I have seen played by TFC during his reign has been appalling, some of that is due to the players and some of that is due to the coaching. I think TFC has a decent enough squad and I think a better manager would get a lot more out of them with improved organization and better tactics. Hopefully we can now get in someone who is not such a big believer in the long ball, never mind the long ball in high winds like we have seen previously.

Good luck to Carver but this should be seen as a great opportunity to take TFC forward.

[MartinUtd]

Wikipedia has Cummings listed as the care taker alraedy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_FC

[Nuvinho]

No, I don't. But there are a few signs that something else is about to be announced. But Idon't know what it might be.

player movement probably......just my opinion.

[Dub Narcotic]

"In 36 MLS games, Carver led Toronto FC to 11 wins, 15 defeats and 10 draws."

What a great legacy. I'm also going to miss his failing tactics, random lineups, throwing players under the bus, talking down to the league, inability to substitute and his uncanny knack at getting players to regress. On the plus side, he looked good in a track suite and yelled a lot.

[Ageroo]

this explains Amado's goal celebration(the arm wave) ,i think he and the whole team are glad carver is out and showed it by the way they played wednesday.

I am not so sure about this...maybe the team new this was going to happen as well.....when he scored he did look up towards the press box and bowed.....maybe a tribute to Carver.......:noidea:

[johnmolinaro]

just got off the phone with Carver but he couldn't talk. Asked me to call him later today, so hopefully I'll have an update.

John

[YSE_TopBoy]

Think this has something to do with Sven being in Toronto?

[Ladies Love Julius James]

Some days are more surprising than others. Today falls into the "some days" category. Brace yourself.about 1 hour ago (http://twitter.com/Paulbeirne/status/1613172216) from Tweetie (http://www.atebits.com/)


hahahaahah

[BC101]

Think this has something to do with Sven being in Toronto?
Hahahahahahahaha

[Marianne]

I'm so sad. I've been sitting here astounded since the news broke on the westham/chelsea game. I'm going to miss his passion.

[Redcoe15]

Holy shit. That's all I have to say.

[Sonny Cheeba]

The Newcastle connection (Carver/Robert) never really amounted to too much, did it?

well to be fair.... off the pitch they were one of the best tag teams in International Caged Ticklefighting (ICT)

they won a title or two, but were later accused of greasing each other and taking tickle inhibitors.

[rocker]

I wouldn't mind them sticking with Cummins and Dasovic. These guys have more experience in MLS than Carver did when he started.
The key is to have a replacement (Cummins/Dasovic or new coach) who knows MLS very well... Experience matters is this league.

I just hope we don't lose Winsper. Injuries are way down since he started.

[stretchthetruth]

this explains Amado's goal celebration(the arm wave) ,i think he and the whole team are glad carver is out and showed it by the way they played wednesday.


now that would be wild... would he actually do that to a coach???

[YSE_TopBoy]

Sven Is In Toronto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jack]

just got off the phone with Carver but he couldn't talk. Asked me to call him later today, so hopefully I'll have an update.

John

Thanks, John, for keeping us up to date.

[Lucky Strike]

this explains Amado's goal celebration(the arm wave) ,i think he and the whole team are glad carver is out and showed it by the way they played wednesday.

While there are many possibilities, I think that might be a bit of a reach. The simplest answer is usually the right one.

[rocker]

this explains Amado's goal celebration(the arm wave) ,i think he and the whole team are glad carver is out and showed it by the way they played wednesday.

nahh. Amado's celebration was 1) sucking his thumb as a tribute to his baby; 2) holding his hand over his heart and waving his to wife, who was sitting a few seats down from me.
The whole time he was looking at his wife. He did it around anthem time too.
Clearly the guy is very much in love :)

[werewolf]

I am a bit disappointed this happened the day before a game and not Monday when we had the week off. Hopefully this doesn't distract the players from the match tomorrow. Whatever the situation is, it obviously has been around for a few days, whats 1 more?

[Marco2K]

Go get him john

[BC101]

Sven Is In Toronto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMFAO hahahahahahahaha

[Lucky Strike]

Sven Is In Toronto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm having difficulty reading the sarcasm here, if any. Can you imagine if he was here; this place would be on fire.

[Daveisonfire]

I wouldn't mind them sticking with Cummins and Dasovic. These guys have more experience in MLS than Carver did when he started.
The key is to have a replacement (Cummins/Dasovic or new coach) who knows MLS very well... Experience matters is this league.

I just hope we don't lose Winsper. Injuries are way down since he started.

I don't think we will because Winsper was here before John. But you never know......:(

[deeznutz]

It's on Soccer central

[MartinUtd]

just got off the phone with Carver but he couldn't talk. Asked me to call him later today, so hopefully I'll have an update.

John

When I first read that I took it as sarcasm then I realized "oh wait, that's the guy from CBC"

[Beach_Red]

Maybe Mo Johnston wants his old job back?


Well, look at it this way, since he got here Carver got to run the team exactly as he wanted with no intereference. The season ended poorly last year with the team just giving up in the last game in San Jose and this season started just as inconsistently as last year. Then, after three very unimpressive games the line-up was changed and it looked like a completely different team.

How would the conversation between coach and manager go after that?

[Cantstoptherock]

How long before Dale Mitchell is signed?

[mighty_torontofc_2008]

FFS ....come on Carver stay we need you!!!

[ginkster88]

It's to make room for Dale Mitchell guys.


...wow, cantstoptherock, beat me by a few seconds.

[tfc]

for all the people going around shitting on him today, all i can say is have some class. the guy was our coach and gave it his all, the least we can do is show him some respect; regardless of what you thought of him.

not only does carver leave here with an impression of the league, he leaves with an impression of canadians, tfc, and our supporters groups. whatever the reasons for his departure, i believe our supporters should make sure he leaves with the impression that tfc's support show passion, honesty, loyalty, and most of all, respect for those who put on the jersey. :canada::D

[trane]

Carver needs to explain. Then we can comment.

[Krasno.pL.]

Its Called Football is talking about it.....
http://www.thatchannel.com/

[Jack]

How long before Dale Mitchell is signed?
Don't fuck around!!

[TFC_Chris]

I am a bit disappointed this happened the day before a game and not Monday when we had the week off. Hopefully this doesn't distract the players from the match tomorrow. Whatever the situation is, it obviously has been around for a few days, whats 1 more?

I agree, but I also find that we tend to play better when we are facing some adversity.

[deeznutz]

If dale comes I aint coming anymore

[I_AM_CANADIAN]

Daaaamn. I really did not see this coming.

One thing that springs to mind is that MLS fines him for saying things managers in other countries say all the time.

In any case, best of luck to him in whatever job he finds after this.

[Sonny Cheeba]

Carver needs to explain. Then we can comment.

yup. but people can let their frustrations out until then.

[I_AM_CANADIAN]

for all the people going around shitting on him today, all i can say is have some class. the guy was our coach and gave it his all, the least we can do is show him some respect; regardless of what you thought of him.

not only does carver leave here with an impression of the league, he leaves with an impression of canadians, tfc, and our supporters groups. whatever the reasons for his departure, i believe our supporters should make sure he leaves with the impression that tfc's support show passion, honesty, loyalty, and most of all, respect for those who put on the jersey. :canada::D
I completely agree with this.

[Cambridge_Red]

Well he did want us to make the playoffs tactically this is Carver's best move all season :D

[Jack]

Well he did want us to make the playoffs tactically this is Carver's best move all season :D
LOL

True enough.

[kitchener-TFC]

Here's my theory:

Carver gets a call from Alan asking if he wants to come home. Carver's not sure so he lets Mo know he's thinking about it.

Mo tells Carver that he needs to make up his mind and until he does, he goes upstairs. Carver makes his decision to go and tells Mo.

All of the crap lately probably made the decision easier for him and seeing the team do well on the pitch with him upstairs probably gave him the feeling that he could leave them in good hands.

Mo, I know you're reading this! Let us know what's going on!
Sound pretty accurate:(.


ooooooooooooh shit! :eek:

Does anyone else feel like we got euchred?

Carver Banner
Carver Scarves
CNIB Match the Carver donation

-ouch-

I want an explination at some point...
The CNIB donation should still be donated in honour of John Carver. We have to show the man respect.

[Lucky Strike]

How long before Dale Mitchell is signed?

That's not funny! Seriously, I would die if this happened.

[Jeffro]

Get Frank Rijkaard, he's unemployed I believe :D

[koryo]

Gobi here:

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I could almost cry. I really, really liked him.
We've improved measurably under JC. He hasn't had enough time.
Ugh. I'm so upset.

[Beach_Red]

Carver needs to explain. Then we can comment.

Would you be surprised if it was as simple as a disagreement between the coach and GM over whether or not the roster was good enough to win in this league?

If the different line-up hadn't looked so much better against Chivas than they did against the weaker Dallas it might not have been so obvious, but it was probably a big topic of conversation for weeks.

[Jack]

Get Frank Rijkaard, he's unemployed I believe :D
I think that would be a mistake (I know you were joking).

We need a manager who is aware that MLS is a different league. One of JC's issues, I believe, is that he was constantly comparing.

We need a manager to embrace MLS with all it's shitty refs, mediocre players and quirky rosters/schedules.

Someone who gets that stuff and works within the framework they are given.

[Roogsy]

Oh gawd...what a way to start my weekend.

With this team, it's one step forward, two steps back.

Sonofa...what's gonna happen the rest of the season?

[Roogsy]

I think that would be a mistake (I know you were joking).

We need a manager who is aware that MLS is a different league. One of JC's issues, I believe, is that he was constantly comparing.

We need a manager to embrace MLS with all it's shitty refs, mediocre players and quirky rosters/schedules.

Someone who gets that stuff and works within the framework they are given.


I agree.

But how many of those competent coaches are there? Its not like North America is a breeding ground for great managers. I can't name one!

[Beach_Red]

I think that would be a mistake (I know you were joking).

We need a manager who is aware that MLS is a different league. One of JC's issues, I believe, is that he was constantly comparing.

We need a manager to embrace MLS with all it's shitty refs, mediocre players and quirky rosters/schedules.

Someone who gets that stuff and works within the framework they are given.

Yes, yes, yes.

[Jeffro]

I think that would be a mistake (I know you were joking).

We need a manager who is aware that MLS is a different league. One of JC's issues, I believe, is that he was constantly comparing.

We need a manager to embrace MLS with all it's shitty refs, mediocre players and quirky rosters/schedules.

Someone who gets that stuff and works within the framework they are given.

I totally agree

[mclaren]

We need someone who has a PROVEN track record in MLS, who has won championships in MLS.

[ilikemusic]

:party:

Hopefully the 'personal reasons' are nothing serious.

Carver has been useless! I dont think its any coincidence that the team played great on Wednesday with Carver stuffed up in the gondola.

Not to try and say 'I told you so' but I hope this keeps the supporters groups from getting a boner for management before they do anything worth getting excited about.

[Jack]

I agree.

But how many of those competent coaches are there? Its not like North America is a breeding ground for great managers. I can't name one!
They don't have to be from North America. They just have to have the right attitude to be successful in MLS.

A lot of successful coaches in this league are not North American.

[OneLoveOneEric]

This is great news. Everyone will see this soon. We played our best game ever with him off the bench. He meant well, but really didn't understand how to win here. I've got nothing against him, but this will prove to. Be a positive turning point for the club.

[mighty_torontofc_2008]

This is terrible news before the KC game.... come on Cummings get the Job done!!

Will Paul Winsper follow Carver out the door? lets hope not

[Lucky Strike]

Use some Edu money to buy Sigi Schmid or Dominic Kinnear. ;)

[Yohan]

Thank you John Carver for all that you've done for Toronto FC and best wishes in all your endeavours

[mighty_torontofc_2008]

Carver needs to explain. Then we can comment.


no he doesnt its personnel leave it at that!!

[ChrisFizik]

wow ...this blew me away this AM..haha...way to add some excitement to the morning, Barclay's matches aside

anyways, Carver leaves with a good deal of respect, and the team looks to be in good shape, and maybe the turmoil will give them some extra extra motivation to rock it tomorrow and next week

love the jokes about Sven in town too
haha

[werewolf]

If we don't sign Jurgen Klinsmann, we should try for Roy Keane


or Steve McLaren.

[Ratven]

I'm quite hopeful for the Cummins factor. He did really well wednesday.

[boomcha]

Scolari!!! :)

[OneLoveOneEric]

Everyone knows that "personal reasons" means "was about to get fired", right?

[Beach_Red]

We need someone who has a PROVEN track record in MLS, who has won championships in MLS.

That's not really necessary because MLS has changed so much. We had a PROVEN goal scorer in Cunningham but everyone agreed that the MLS he scored goals in was completely different than the MLS of today. There really is no proven coach other than Sigi to go and get, is there?

What we need is someone who can work with this roster. It really looks like Carver leaving is Mo's statement that more could be gotten from these players - and the Chivas game proved it.

You can pretty much hear the conversation: "Start Dichio, start Velez, start Vitti," and game after game they sat. We bitched about it here for weeks.

What we'll probably see is Cummins for a few games and if the team plays as well as it did against Chivas he'll stay.

[Phil]

If we don't sign Jurgen Klinsmann, we should try for Roy Keane


or Steve McLaren.

Keane is off the market LOL.

Sad to hear this about Carver. Both the wife and I are in shock.

[koryo]

This is a shock. Though I wondered if something was up when Carver was in the stands Wednesday night.

Cummins is in charge for the time being, so let's hope he can build on Wednesday's performance.

The team needs us more than ever now.

Thank you JC. Best of luck and no hard feelings.

Gobi and I are just about to go out back and touch up the KEEP FIGHTING banner. Seems very relevant to hang it up tomorrow.

[nascarguy]

Sound pretty accurate:(.


The CNIB donation should still be donated in honour of John Carver. We have to show the man respect.

fuck that I will not honour poeple who QUIT.

[Ratven]

no he doesnt its personnel leave it at that!!

Depends what personal is... if personal means that he has some family issues or whatever and has to be home, then that's all good, all the best to him, sorry it didn't work out.

If personal means that this team/management/league is shite and he wants to be back with his buddies in the EPL (championship)... and decided the best way to do this is to leave the team in the middle of the season... then fuck him.

:noidea:

[Roogsy]

Nascar...you do realize that "personal reasons" is always a cover. It could very well be that he got fired, we just don't know.

[billyfly]

Was tree planting and got the text message. Couldn't believe it although there were signs.

Told Vox who I met there at the Humber Bay park.

Wow.

[werewolf]

Keane is off the market LOL.



ok, Patrick Viera then :D

[FluSH]

Sound pretty accurate:(.


The CNIB donation should still be donated in honour of John Carver. We have to show the man respect.

Not until we find out the full details...

If the man used the first opportunity to get outta here for Newcastle then...

WTF

[napoli73]

Sad to hear...but i hope he quit for personal reasons away from the team and not with it.

[koryo]

fuck that I will not honour poeple who QUIT.

Don't be like that. Carver gets absolutely destroyed on these boards when we have a bad game. No need to tear into him now.

By virtue of what's been written about him lately around here, no one has anything to complain about.

I'm still for giving the donation in his name. Kind of a going away present.

[Roogsy]

I don't get why someone would want to go to Newcastle now? They're about to go down.

[MUFC_Niagara]

Time to get a non English manager.

Don't start with that shit now....

[Ratven]

Everyone knows that "personal reasons" means "was about to get fired", right?

And if this is true, then it was happening anyway. If this is true, obviously Carver had nothing to do with Wednesdays style or result, and it was so drastically effective in stark comparison to the horrible play style of the last year and a bit under Carver that Mo finally realized that Carver was in over his head, and stubborn enough to not change anything about the way he was running the team (into the ground).

I liked his passion and his drive, but you can't argue about the result, I don't think he was going about it the right way at all.

I sincerely hope we are successful under Cummins to further stress this point.

[dag]

Resigning for "personal reasons" is like a politician leaving politics to "spend more time with my family".

[Rocco]

x2UOkzvC2bg

[Oldtimer]

I'm totally shocked.

I remember JC at the signing at BMO earler this year saying "I'm not going anywhere."

This has all of the hallmarks of a sudden decision, not of something that he has been planning for months.

Something changed his mind. He has mentioned the refs. He let slip that some supporters were upset. Did he read our board and decide to throw it in? If so, that would be very sad. Alternately (and more likely) he had a falling out with Mo after being fined for criticising the refs yet once again (after he promised not to).

We need to move on. I'm not mad at Carver, he wan't the worst neither was he the best coach in the league. But we are in desperate need of some good leadership for this team.

[Phil]

Don't be like that. Carver gets absolutely destroyed on these boards when we have a bad game. No need to tear into him now.

By virtue of what's been written about him lately around here, no one has anything to complain about.

I'm still for giving the donation in his name. Kind of a going away present.

I agree.

Sportsnet are reporting that he does not have anything lined up right now.

Lets have some dignity and do the right thing for the guy.

[nascarguy]

no he doesnt its personnel leave it at that!!
no I need to know Carver needs to explain be before i make a quiters never win banner

[TFC Cityboy]

I have to say I am sad to see him go. There was no doubting his passion but we certainly questioned many decisions. I had concerns last season when he trashed players by name last season after the Mtl match (even tho one was Cunningham)- you never do that.

But seeing his passion in Columbus showed he was one of us.

Reckon he's on his way to Newcastle. Give Cummins a few matches hopefully.

All the best, JC in whatever you do.

[Shway]

Everybody

[I_AM_CANADIAN]

fuck that I will not honour poeple who QUIT.
I can't say I didn't see this kind of thing coming. Newcastle fans didn't get on Kevin Keegan's case, they looked at what was behind a manager who loved the club leaving.

[BoltonTFC]

If he resigns because some supporters are pissed off he shouldn't be in football. I seriously doubt that is the reason. Newcastle is my first guess but it is just that....a guess. I won't make any judgement until we hear more.

[BFin]

Speculation on my part:

MoJo wanted that lineup in last week.
Carver said fine, you want to run the team, i will sit in the press box.
Team wins, Carver is red faced.
No support from management = Run the team yourself.

If it`s anything like that, I don`t blame him for quitting.

[I_AM_CANADIAN]

no I need to know Carver needs to explain be before i make a quiters never win banner
Coaches rarely speak out to the media immediately after getting sacked or leaving. It's classless.

[InTheCrowd]

In Carver we trust bullshit!

Abandoning us? How are we going to be successful this season when we have this to deal with? I'm pissed now! Are we going to have Cummins as head coach for the rest of the season?

God damn it Carver!

[Shway]

LEARN THIS CHANT FOR TOMORROW VERY SIMPLE.....

THE MAN WITH NO SHAME,
THE MAN WITH NO SHAAAMMEEE
JOHHNN CARVER
THE MAN WITH NO SHAME
CsuKmty9Yto

[Carter]

no I need to know Carver needs to explain be before i make a quiters never win banner


GROW UP nascar... He has been nothing but Class to us supporters. Has given us nothing but respect, and we need to show the same..

[billyfly]

Nelo Vingada! (working in Iran at the moment).

The RPB are soooo in if he came here. (family member)

[BFin]

Lets not make any banners that don`t have full support of RPB members. I don`t want to be grouped in with a John Carver is a quitter banner. I will not be sitting in 112 for that game if that is the case.

[Ageroo]

Listen up now.....http://www.thatchannel.com (http://www.thatchannel.com...talking) talking to Ives

[Shway]

GROW UP nascar... He has been nothing but Class to us supporters. Has given us nothing but respect, and we need to show the same..

when you have class, you dont leave a team 6 games in to the season,
everybody knows that,

YEA HE HAS SHOWED US SUPPORT
YEA HE HAS HAILED THE SUPPORTERS

but now he has left, with 6 games in!
that is not class, more like a stab in the back!
if you ask me.....

its okay for players to do this, but not COACHES!!!

[Oldtimer]

Speculation on my part:

MoJo wanted that lineup in last week.
Carver said fine, you want to run the team, i will sit in the press box.
Team wins, Carver is red faced.
No support from management = Run the team yourself.

If it`s anything like that, I don`t blame him for quitting.

Exactly!

Or, "Mo you know that that ref was horrible."

Mo: "Carver this is a very serious issue speaking about the refs."

Carver: "OK, you don't back me, I'm viewing the game from the box. A coach needs to be backed up in situations like this."

Carver thinks about it a bit, then resigns.

[mastermixer]

could the pressure from the media, management and fans have gotten to him?
Theory: I think he mad the decision after the somewhat poor performance in Dallas, but has so much respect for this team he didnt just want to leave TFC high and dry. Asked Cummins to take the helm and see how it went before he broke the news.

[King Jeff]

Here's my theory:

Carver gets a call from Alan asking if he wants to come home. Carver's not sure so he lets Mo know he's thinking about it.

Mo tells Carver that he needs to make up his mind and until he does, he goes upstairs. Carver makes his decision to go and tells Mo.

All of the crap lately probably made the decision easier for him and seeing the team do well on the pitch with him upstairs probably gave him the feeling that he could leave them in good hands.

Mo, I know you're reading this! Let us know what's going on!

It's Called Football basically echoed this.

They also said that Carver's accepted a job in the UK, and if Cummins isn't appointed as full-time head coach, Cummins and Winsper will both walk, as well.

Fun times.

[Roogsy]

I'm totally shocked.

I remember JC at the signing at BMO earler this year saying "I'm not going anywhere."

This has all of the hallmarks of a sudden decision, not of something that he has been planning for months.

Something changed his mind. He has mentioned the refs. He let slip that some supporters were upset. Did he read our board and decide to throw it in? If so, that would be very sad. Alternately (and more likely) he had a falling out with Mo after being fined for criticising the refs yet once again (after he promised not to).

We need to move on. I'm not mad at Carver, he wan't the worst neither was he the best coach in the league. But we are in desperate need of some good leadership for this team.

This is how I feel. He seemed very genuine at the BMO signing. This smacks of a change in the dynamic at the club. Something did happen. I dunno if we will every know what.

[Carter]

In Carver we trust bullshit!

Abandoning us? How are we going to be successful this season when we have this to deal with? I'm pissed now! Are we going to have Cummins as head coach for the rest of the season?

God damn it Carver!


grow up, and read the threads, and news articles... its personal reasons and there is too much bullshit flying around in what reasons he left. We need to wait for a presser from him about before you hang the guy... Everyone always has a hate on for him after a loss, and now he steps down and you got a bigger hate on for him... like seriously....

He SHOWED US NOTHIN BUT RESPECT, show the man the fuckin same.

[billyfly]

Listening. Thanks

[BFin]

Please, lets not talk about class when it comes to treatment between JC and the RPB. He appreciated everything that any RPB said positively or did for him as can be evidenced by his reaction to the In Carver We Trust Scarf. This has to do with him and management, not him and us.

[MUFC_Niagara]

I hope all of the muppets thats ragged on him are happy....we just lost a good coach.

[InTheCrowd]

Look. I don't give a rats ass how he's treating the RPB's! What he's doing is hurting the club and I'm here to support my club. It's about what's best for the club, not me!

[Krasno.pL.]

If Cummins isnt made HeadCoach he and Paul Winsper are going back to England too....
interesting

[Keyman]

To an extent, Carver has been used as a scapegoat. I'm not trying to say that he deserves no blame whatsoever, but a coach can only control so much. Some of our players have performed very poorly for weeks and have remained relatively unscathed. I guess the coach always gets the axe first though.

Having said that, he was out of his element in MLS and to me, he never seemed comfortable. Our tactical approach on the pitch seemed flawed, and Carver's choosing of starting XI's/substitutions, was very questionable. He certainly had the respect of the players, at least publicly (maybe not privately), and he put everything he had into this job. And for that, he does deserve a certain amount of respect. The future, however, does seem much brighter without Carver at the helm.

[nascarguy]

I was going to give him 6 months to get s us 36 points before i started to rip in to him.

[Rocco]

I wish JC best of luck in all his future ventures.

[Roogsy]

It's Called Football basically echoed this.

They also said that Carver's accepted a job in the UK, and if Cummins isn't appointed as full-time head coach, Cummins and Winsper will both walk, as well.

Fun times.


:eek:

OMG...

Back to square one.