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Ron Manager
05-30-2008, 07:19 AM
Posted here due to it's possible impact on our club.


FIFA Congress endorses ‘6+5’ rule

8 hours, 47 minutes ago

SYDNEY, Australia (AP)—The world’s national soccer associations voted overwhelmingly in favor of introducing a rule to limit foreign players in domestic club competitions.

In a ballot at FIFA’s 58th Congress on Friday, 155 associations voted in favor of supporting the idea of requiring clubs to start all matches with at least six players who are eligible for the national team.
Five associations voted against and 40 abstained.
FIFA president Sepp Blatter proposed the ‘`6+5” rule, saying it would safeguard the national identity of clubs and national teams. It was unanimously endorsed Tuesday by FIFA’s executive committee.
But it has been opposed by some of Europe’s biggest and richest clubs and contravenes the European Union’s principle of free movement of workers.

The Congress backed the presidents of soccer’s world and European governing bodies “to explore all means within the limits of the law to ensure that these crucial sporting objectives be achieved.”






So maybe now we will get more Canadians on TFC. :confused:

Ladies Love Julius James
05-30-2008, 07:22 AM
If this goes through Arsenal is the first one that comes to mind. All they got is Walcott starting I believe.

Mikey
05-30-2008, 07:37 AM
BBC world was all over this, running it as the main news headling this morning. They see the main issue being that this ruling contravenes the European free market and labour laws.

Should be an interesting one to watch....

rocker
05-30-2008, 07:43 AM
So maybe now we will get more Canadians on TFC. :confused:

too bad Sepp isn't going to pony up some more money to get the good Canadians back from Europe ;)

But I guess if ya don't mind a midfield including Harmse, Gala, and Melo with Lombardo up front, we can survive with what we got ;)

MrHawk
05-30-2008, 07:46 AM
All of Croatia's team are in England or Germany.
Since none of them will want to come back to play for such a shitty league, how would this work for other Eastern Euro teams?

Fort York Redcoat
05-30-2008, 07:54 AM
They voted. I'll worry when they start enforcing it. We don't even follow the FIFA calendar over here...

TFC John
05-30-2008, 08:36 AM
So the message is "Let's get Racism out of the game and promote Nationalism too?"

Why can't a player just be a player, a club be a club and let national football associations take care of themselves?

Nodoubtguy
05-30-2008, 08:38 AM
This is the worst idea ever!!!

brad
05-30-2008, 08:39 AM
All of Croatia's team are in England or Germany.
Since none of them will want to come back to play for such a shitty league, how would this work for other Eastern Euro teams?

I think the theory is that in the long term, it will balance out. Only the exceptional players will move to the big leagues, and the lesser (yet still potentially very good players) will stay in their home leagues, bringing up the quality of those domestic leagues. Eventually the gap between the bigger and smaller leagues lessens, both by increasing the quality of the lesser leagues, and decreasing the quality of the big leagues, and more and more players will be willing to stay and play at home. Combine that with the fact that countries will look to start developing their own players again instead of just buying them, that should increase the overall quality of the player pool.

That's my theory on how **they** think things will work. I completely disagree with it, and think it will backfire on them.

I don't think it's going to happen anyway. EU Labor Laws > than FIFA laws. The variation that I can see happening is that a club will have to field a certain number of players that have trained with the club from a certain age, regardless of nationality. This doesn't violate any EU labor laws, and there are already restriction of this nature on rosters for the Champions League (and likely the UEFA cup, not sure though).

Flashman
05-30-2008, 08:44 AM
Either that, or more people will find ways of changing nationality so the can play where they want, thus further hindering the progress of lesser national team programs like Canada.

We can call it the Hargreaves-du Guzman maneuver :(

Toronto_Bhoy
05-30-2008, 08:59 AM
All of Croatia's team are in England or Germany.
Since none of them will want to come back to play for such a shitty league, how would this work for other Eastern Euro teams?

That's the reason the league is shitty…can you imagine a Croatian league with the country's top players?

The problem in many countries aren't the teams or leagues…it's the economic, social and political stability/issues that drive players (and other nationals with skilled trades) away from their Motherland.

I would think this will be tied up in the courts for sometime…can you say…BOSMAN…

MrHawk
05-30-2008, 09:11 AM
^^
very true, although it's not like the owners of the top clubs don't have money, it's that they are money grubbers.

Is it possible for a guy who currently plays for a country to switch to a different NT?

denime
05-30-2008, 09:18 AM
Well I think this is GREAT IDEA !!!
Reason why not even ONE TEAM from GB is not on Euro 08 is the policy we have it right now.
Maybe this is not good for Arsenal or Manu,Inter,Real M. but I don't care about big poachers of world football talent anyway.It will be interesting to see how this will work out with EU,I can see this going to court.

This will not happen overnight anyways.

Blatter:

"To go forward, we would say that it is the result that six players eligible to play for the national team of the country should be on the field of play at the beginning. It means that with the substitutions you could have 3+8 at the end.
"We need some consultation with the government authorities, especially in Europe, but we would propose to start a '4+7' in 2010, '5+6' in 2011 and we would be ready to apply '6+5' in 2012."

'The application of such a system would start only at the end of 2010 and we would start progressively with four, five and six.
'Even if it is necessary, because we have had Manchester United winning the European Champions League with six players eligible for the Great Britain team at the beginning of the match, so we are not far away.
'Chelsea had four.
Zenit St Petersburg, when they played Glasgow Rangers, they had up to seven. Glasgow had four or five. 'We are not far away from a situation.
'Speaking about it is illegal? For whom? For when? If there is a law, a law can be amended.
'I have already now a meeting with the speaker of the European parliament - chairman as we say, but you say in the British version, the speaker - on June 5 in the afternoon in Brussels, as he said, to explore now the ways. 'If he says to explore the ways, it's not to say 'stop it', so you see we're on the right track.''



Germany's Franz Beckenbauer:

"Three English teams in the semi-finals [of the Champions League], Manchester United (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/manchester-united/) and Chelsea (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/chelsea/) in the final, an extraordinary match.
"But then after the match everyone regretted a single fact. That England will not be represented at the Euro [2008 (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/euro/)].
"There is a reason for that," he said, alluding to the glut of foreign players at English clubs.
"This is the case in other countries too. We have clubs in Germany where there are no German players on the field. That is not in the interest of football and its future.
"In our committee we have discussed this issue. It did not take much time. We want to support the FIFA president and the UEFA president because we need to find a solution with the European Union.


Platini:
"It is a thorny issue. Europe is not [in] a comfortable position but we will do all we can to help the FIFA president reach this objective," he told the 200 assembled members.
"[The rule] is considered illegal by the European Union. Within the football family we don't all agree. Some of the leagues were against, some in favour, clubs generally against.
"[If the rule as it stands were implemented] then we as UEFA would find ourselves in a difficult place and could find ourselves in court.
"I fully share the philosophy and objectives of the rule. We are in full agreement when it comes to the general idea."


I think they now enough about football situations than any of us.
and TFC John to write that FIFA:

So the message is "Let's get Racism out of the game and promote Nationalism too?"
is simply stupid,sorry nothing personal but it is.

Nodoubtguy
05-30-2008, 09:24 AM
Well I think this is GREAT IDEA !!!
Reason why not even ONE TEAM from GB is not on Euro 08 is the policy we have it right now.

I don't get how that would make a difference......maybe I'm just overlooking something. If a youth or player is playing in one of the top European leagues, should he be developing regardless of where they play??

redcard
05-30-2008, 09:28 AM
this will only be better for the game in the long run...even MLS has rules about domestic players...TFC has an exception for a short period of time...

having more canadian players developing on TFC and eventually vancouver and montreal playing in the mls will dramatically improve the national program.

Nodoubtguy
05-30-2008, 09:37 AM
I understand why it would mean something in Canada, because it would expose more players to top flight teams even though the elite (like JDG), would still go to European teams as part of their foreign 5. But how does this help a place like England???

Dre
05-30-2008, 09:54 AM
Either that, or more people will find ways of changing nationality so the can play where they want, thus further hindering the progress of lesser national team programs like Canada.

We can call it the Hargreaves-du Guzman maneuver :(

I think they are changing rules for this as well. The uncapped player would have to be living in the country for 5 years to change. (Up from 2 years - still won't stop everyone I would think though)

denime
05-30-2008, 09:58 AM
I don't get how that would make a difference......maybe I'm just overlooking something. If a youth or player is playing in one of the top European leagues, should he be developing regardless of where they play??
That is a problem,they DON"T play,they sit on bench.


I understand why it would mean something in Canada, because it would expose more players to top flight teams even though the elite (like JDG), would still go to European teams as part of their foreign 5. But how does this help a place like England???

Question?
What nation has the least number of foreign players in their and most of their own players playing SERIA A league?
Hint :
they are current World Champions.

Maybe having your own players PLAYING instead of bench worming helps to your own National team to win every now and than.Having a team like Red Star Belgrade wining a champions league(like 1991)motivate kids to play more that sport and you have bigger talent pool in that country.
It is not only about big ones,even here NBA,NFL,NHL etc.giving the chance to the clubs there have bad result first choice on draft in order to get more teams winning the title.Not like in Scotland where is only between two teams,England 4.

'As (Newcastle manager) Kevin Keegan recently said: 'I can only start my season to fight to be fifth or sixth or seventh. It is impossible for me to go into the final four'.

This rule will bring teams that developing their players better results,buying successes is becoming very boring lately.As for MLS and TFC it is different story.Young league and team no choice than get players from outside the country,for now.

MrHawk
05-30-2008, 10:28 AM
This is a common problem, esp across Eastern Europe. A lot of players will get scouted by top teams, get signed to them and waste their best years sitting on the bench for a top team because they wanted a high road contract.

For Keegan to say that he can only fight to be 5th/6th spot. that can also be to the fact that Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool have the money to spend on top players.

As for Red Star, they were the last Eastern Euro team to have any real success in Europe and it was all Serbian players (except for Prosinecki who was mixed I believe and a few others of Serbian descent, but born in Croatia), so I can see your argument

Bobo
05-30-2008, 10:29 AM
Posted here due to it's possible impact on our club.




So maybe now we will get more Canadians on TFC. :confused:

An exception may be made since TFC is in an American league. Maybe Canadians and Americans would be considered domestic. If not, we're getting the shaft bigtime.



This is the worst idea ever!!!

YES! For Inter's sake, I hope Mourinho will cast his all-watchful eye on Italian talent.

brad
05-30-2008, 12:24 PM
this will only be better for the game in the long run...even MLS has rules about domestic players...TFC has an exception for a short period of time...

having more canadian players developing on TFC and eventually vancouver and montreal playing in the mls will dramatically improve the national program.

But if the new regulations go into play, then it will become increasingly difficult for those Canadians that are good enough to play at a much higher level in Europe. That can stunt the development of really good Canadian players.

brad
05-30-2008, 12:28 PM
I understand why it would mean something in Canada, because it would expose more players to top flight teams even though the elite (like JDG), would still go to European teams as part of their foreign 5. But how does this help a place like England???

If a team only has 5 slots, they become the foreign slots become a bit more valuable. You only have 5 slots for foreigners, you are going to use those slots on exceptional foreign players where you can, and guys like De Guzman that are very good but not great players can get overlooked more often.

It's no different than what we have with TFC. We would have a much better squad if we didn't have to fill positions with Canadians. We wouldn't all be worried about the potential that Lombardo is going to be on the pitch this weekend, we would have better alternatives.

stugautz
05-30-2008, 12:36 PM
I like this rule, it encourages teams to develop talent (which a lot already do). Also, being a top quality domestic player will mean big $$$ for those players (assuming they are of Spanish, Italian, English or German origin).

I feel (as in most situations like this) it'll be the poorer African's that suffer the most. Suddenly they become less desirable due to the domestic rule. If a player has been with a teams academy for 4 years, then that is enough time to discount this rule IMO.

Nodoubtguy
05-30-2008, 12:39 PM
Question?
What nation has the least number of foreign players in their and most of their own players playing SERIA A league?
Hint :
they are current World Champions.


well with the exception of Becks, isn't the entire English team based in England?? so what difference does it make??

Nodoubtguy
05-30-2008, 12:40 PM
I feel (as in most situations like this) it'll be the poorer African's that suffer the most. Suddenly they become less desirable due to the domestic rule. If a player has been with a teams academy for 4 years, then that is enough time to discount this rule IMO.

The standard for the African national teams will drop since more players will be playing in their domestic leagues and not the top euro leagues....

BrianW
05-30-2008, 12:40 PM
If anybody thinks this will destroy teams like Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, etc. they are crazy. All it will do is drive up the price of English players. Now instead of spending money in other countries they will all be competing over the same few English players. Theo Walcott's transfer fee will look tiny in a few years. The second tier of teams in England still won't be able to outspend the top clubs and will be forced to use lower quality English players as well as lower quality foreign players (really no different from today). The next Wayne Rooney won't end up staying at Everton just because of this rule. Instead the English players currently in the Championship will be moving up to the Premiership and lowering the quality of the league in the process. Eventually they might improve back to the level of play currently enjoyed in the league, but it would hurt in the near term.

As far as how Canada and TFC would be affected, I don't think there will be a huge effect. A lot of the Canadian born players playing in Europe have dual citizenship so they probably would still be eligible as domestic players under the 6+5 system. The best Canadian players (like de Guzman & Hutchinson) will still play in Europe, but a few of the second tier players might be convinced to return to Canada. TFC will be at a significant disadvantage compared to the US based teams (especially if Montreal and/or Vancouver are in MLS by that time).

ensco
05-30-2008, 12:53 PM
It is nothing more than a dream for Blatter. The Bosman case was about this exact point.

Courts everywhere have been unaminous - rules like this are a restraint on the rights of workers, and sport is not important enough to justify exceptions.

brad
05-30-2008, 12:54 PM
The best Canadian players (like de Guzman & Hutchinson) will still play in Europe, but a few of the second tier players might be convinced to return to Canada.

But they will be limited to where they can play. De Guzman would be playing in Holland, not it Spain.

brad
05-30-2008, 12:55 PM
It is nothing more than a dream for Blatter. The Bosman case was about this exact point.

Courts everywhere have been unaminous - rules like this are a restraint on the rights of workers, and sport is not important enough to justify exceptions.

Exactly. What will come though is the rule that the players must be trained by a club. That does not violate EU laws.

Nodoubtguy
05-30-2008, 12:56 PM
But they will be limited to where they can play. De Guzman would be playing in Holland, not it Spain.

what about JDG at Deportivo??

mighty_torontofc_2008
05-30-2008, 01:00 PM
Fifa can stick this rule up thier collective rear ends...stupid idea....but the European union won't pass it so Blatter will look like an idiot again.

BakaGaijin
05-30-2008, 01:11 PM
I am not familiar with EU laws. Can someone please explain to me how this violates workers rights? Can a worker from any EU country move to any other EU country that they like for work without having to apply through immigration?!? Is it essentially borderless?

MrHawk
05-30-2008, 01:12 PM
I guess then countries not in the EU don't have this rule applied to them?

neuf
05-30-2008, 01:17 PM
So the message is "Let's get Racism out of the game and promote Nationalism too?"

Why can't a player just be a player, a club be a club and let national football associations take care of themselves?

The way I see it, this motivation behind this is not so much nationalist as it is a bit of protectionism designed to help strengthen the weaker domestic leagues.

MrHawk
05-30-2008, 01:19 PM
But it still hurts, as the current string of national players won't come back to play until their career is essentially done elsewhere

Toronto_Bhoy
05-30-2008, 01:21 PM
I am not familiar with EU laws. Can someone please explain to me how this violates workers rights? Can a worker from any EU country move to any other EU country that they like for work without having to apply through immigration?!? Is it essentially borderless?

Basically…yes. There are certain conditions but the idea is the all forms of commerce can be shared…including labour.

Therein lies FIFA's problem…technically…if I'm an Italian citizen who plies his trade as a footballer, the EU agreement entitles me to work in any member country…it's the law.

At least that's my understanding, however, I don't claim to be an expert…but have been often accused of being a know-it-all!:p

TOBOR !
05-30-2008, 01:31 PM
.. but the wording is 'eligible to play for the national side of the country etc...'.

That could mean this could be circumvented as easily as saying 'well he's never played for any other country, so if he were to take on our citizenship then he could play for us'.

This could just mean that you can't have more than 5 current or former internationals on your team unless they are of the nationality of the league in which they play.

Another way around this is to do what Jack Charlton did for the FAI.

O.T. 66
05-30-2008, 01:38 PM
i do agree with this rule but they are going to have to baby step it. start off with a minimum of 3 homegrown players in a starting squad and work up to 6 over a few years. I think this rule should already be in place. Its looks bad when a team like Arsenal play a starting 11 that does not contain 1 English player.

graeme117
05-30-2008, 01:48 PM
all this stuff about fifa looking red-faced seems a little premature for me. Even if the rule can't be enforced in Europe, it certainly could in North America or in Asia, or in South America, or in Africa. So really it could have a huge impact on us, if MLS wants to compete internationally (read the CCL). The whole premise of this seems to be that the rule will fail world-wide once it gets challenged in Europe, but i fail to see how this will be the case. Not only that, but clubs outside of Europe will be more inclined to hold onto players for higher transfer fees. This means that Europe's access to cheeper talent pools overseas could be limited due to cash, thus increasing the need for european players.

My biggest concern is that this could kill the second tier leagues... especially the championship, limiting domestic development anyways

Toronto_Bhoy
05-30-2008, 01:59 PM
Yeah…it could go a number of ways…it certainly doesn't mean parity.

There's a part of me that likes the idea…watching a team like the Gunners is a treat but then you say to yourself, I thought this team was from England? They've lost their identity in many ways…since moving away from Highbury…what's the connection to the past other than the uniforms?

It's kind of sad…

mighty_torontofc_2008
05-30-2008, 02:03 PM
The way I see it, this motivation behind this is not so much nationalist as it is a bit of protectionism designed to help strengthen the weaker domestic leagues.


it won't stengthen the weaker leagues, take the SPL take the foreign players out of the game you will have a poor league altogether not that
the SPl has much credibility left. the major signings for the clubs that can afford then help put people in the seats which is needed badly in scotland,cause outside of Celtic and Rangers most other SPL clubs can fill their own grounds except when the OF visit or derby day with their local rivals.

JonO
05-30-2008, 02:22 PM
all this stuff about fifa looking red-faced seems a little premature for me. Even if the rule can't be enforced in Europe, it certainly could in North America or in Asia, or in South America, or in Africa. So really it could have a huge impact on us, if MLS wants to compete internationally (read the CCL). The whole premise of this seems to be that the rule will fail world-wide once it gets challenged in Europe, but i fail to see how this will be the case. Not only that, but clubs outside of Europe will be more inclined to hold onto players for higher transfer fees. This means that Europe's access to cheeper talent pools overseas could be limited due to cash, thus increasing the need for european players.

My biggest concern is that this could kill the second tier leagues... especially the championship, limiting domestic development anyways

If this can't be legally enforced in Europe, I can't see FIFA hanging on to it, as that is where the big money leagues are. It would put all other leagues at a significant disadvantage.

And from what I understand from my conversations with European attorneys is that this is not going to be easy for FIFA.

Will be interesting to see what happens..

BakaGaijin
05-30-2008, 02:24 PM
Basically…yes. There are certain conditions but the idea is the all forms of commerce can be shared…including labour.

Therein lies FIFA's problem…technically…if I'm an Italian citizen who plies his trade as a footballer, the EU agreement entitles me to work in any member country…it's the law.

At least that's my understanding, however, I don't claim to be an expert…but have been often accused of being a know-it-all!:p

However, this rule does not prevent you from working in any other EU country (if you are an Italian footballer). It simply means that the team that employ's you must have at least 6 starters from the country in which the team plays. You are still entitled to play for any team in any country.

This rule would actually keep more Europeans employed by forcing teams to use Europeans in their domestic leagues as opposed to African's, Asian's, South and North American's. From an EU perspective, it actually benefits European workers..........the EU should theorectically be all for this.

Toronto_Bhoy
05-30-2008, 02:43 PM
^^Yeah, I understand the FIFA rule…I was talking about EU law as it pertains to migrant labour practise…regardless of occupation.

The current EU law would over rule anything FIFA set up because it's illegal to stop a citizen of a member country from making a living in an other…

neuf
05-30-2008, 02:59 PM
it won't stengthen the weaker leagues, take the SPL take the foreign players out of the game you will have a poor league altogether not that
the SPl has much credibility left. the major signings for the clubs that can afford then help put people in the seats which is needed badly in scotland,cause outside of Celtic and Rangers most other SPL clubs can fill their own grounds except when the OF visit or derby day with their local rivals.

I wasn't saying that it would work, just that it seems to be their motivation.

In your example (or any example) however, don't forget that some of the better Scottish players who are playing abroad may be forced to return home because they will be playing for a restricted number of foreign spots in other leagues.

profit89
05-30-2008, 04:52 PM
It's going to have the reverse effect.. the 2-3 teams that are strong now in the domestic leagues will be even stronger. they'll sap up all the best local talent (ala ManU), which leaves the smaller clubs with neither top local talent or good international players, cause they cant afford them anyway.

Marc"2L"
05-30-2008, 05:06 PM
They voted. I'll worry when they start enforcing it. We don't even follow the FIFA calendar over here...


FIFA lets us play "soccer" that just happens to have the same rule book as football.

Thats about as far as FIFA is involved in this league.

denime
05-30-2008, 05:33 PM
It's going to have the reverse effect.. the 2-3 teams that are strong now in the domestic leagues will be even stronger. they'll sap up all the best local talent (ala ManU), which leaves the smaller clubs with neither top local talent or good international players, cause they cant afford them anyway.
How you explain the rule of 3 foreigners that is still there for NON EU Citizens.
Before Bosman rule in the 90's soccer was played too.We did have champions League winners from smaller countries(Dinamo Bukarest beat Barcelona or Red Star Belgrade beat Olympic Marseilles).Why do you think that something that worked before wouldn't work again?s
And why MANU didn't won a one title before BOSMAN rule in more than 25 years 7th title was 66-67 and next one was 92-93.
The rule is proposed to stop big poachers,and give a break to smaller clubs/Countries that actually developing a players.

I'm not saying this will go trough,but UEFA is already on the way to deal with this.

Brussels, 28 May 2008
UEFA rule on ‘home-grown players’: compatibility with the principle of free movement of persons


The European Commission has published an independent study on the ‘home-grown players’ rule adopted by UEFA. This rule requires clubs participating in the Champions League and the UEFA Cup to have a minimum number of ‘home-grown players’ in their squads. Compared with the '6+5' plan proposed by FIFA, which is incompatible with EU law, the Commission considers that UEFA has opted for an approach which seems to comply with the principle of free movement of workers while promoting the training of young European players. The Commission also notes that the measures are designed to support the promotion and protection of quality training for young footballers in the EU. This study had been announced in the White Paper on Sport in July 2007.


Vladimir Špidla, Member of the European Commission responsible for employment, social affairs and equal opportunities, today declared that ‘Compared with the intentions announced by FIFA to impose the so-called ‘6+5’ rule, which is directly discriminatory and therefore incompatible with EU law, the ‘home-grown players’ rule proposed by UEFA seems to me to be proportionate and to comply with the principle of free movement of workers’.

‘Home-grown players’ are defined by UEFA as players who, regardless of their nationality or age, have been trained by their club or by another club in the national association for at least three years between the age of 15 and 21. The UEFA rule does not contain any nationality conditions. It also applies in the same way to all players and all clubs participating in competitions organized by UEFA.

Since the rules adopted by UEFA will be implemented gradually in successive stages (list A to include four ‘home-grown players’ out of 25 for the 2006/07 season and eight out of 25 as from the 2008/09 season), their practical effects will not be totally clear for a number of years.


Here is great article that explains why and who si behind this move.

FIFPro, a body that unites 60,000 professional football players all around the world.
FIFPro calls upon the Presidents of FIFA and UEFA to continue to explore all possible means - within the limits of the law - to achieve the objectives of 6+5."

Read more (http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/bodies/media/newsid=783657.html#fifa+congress+supports+objectiv es)

;)

Toronto_Bhoy
05-30-2008, 06:17 PM
I guess it should be said that teams are not restricted as to the number of foreign players that can be signed but only the number than can appear on the pitch at one time.

denime
05-30-2008, 06:26 PM
They said with 6+5 rule team can have actually 3(domestic)+8(foreigners) on the pitch.

graeme117
05-30-2008, 07:56 PM
So are we left with a sort of Euro-zone set up, where everyone plays by the FIFA rules, except for teams in UEFA, who play by an equivalent? or does the UEFA standard become de-facto word-wide? also doesn't FIFA usually fly off the handle when state governments or in this case supra-state governments interfere with football? WHAT A MESS

Heathen
05-31-2008, 08:17 AM
It's going to have the reverse effect.. the 2-3 teams that are strong now in the domestic leagues will be even stronger. they'll sap up all the best local talent (ala ManU), which leaves the smaller clubs with neither top local talent or good international players, cause they cant afford them anyway.

That is true but the thing about footballers is that although we call them money grabbing mercenaries they do actually want to play, and Man U won't be able to keep half a dozen talented players sitting on the bench or in the reserves indefinitely.
A nationality based quota is illegal and will fail but I think Blatter knows that what he thinks he can get is a homegrown quota which the EU has shown some willingness to towards.

ag futbol
05-31-2008, 09:57 AM
I don't get how that would make a difference......maybe I'm just overlooking something. If a youth or player is playing in one of the top European leagues, should he be developing regardless of where they play??
From my understanding it doesn't actually work out that way in practice.

A number of things enter in to this equation that ultimately produces players in the end:

1) Money (or availability of training)
2) size of the player pool
3) Quality of training
4) incentives to produce quality players.

In England, you have a huge amount of number one and two. But they are producing less footballers, per capita then a lot of the other top countries who make due with with a lot less of both those resources.

So why is that? Well it's three and four. The big clubs would rather deal with a finished product, because they have the money to buy it, so their incentive to produce local players is less. Asides from that, the FA has structured things in a way that really sucks for developing players, which is hurting the game. As a result of the incentives being less, the quality of training for development has not (for the lack of a better word) developed like it has elsewhere.

The reason why you can still see lots of quality players coming out of England is 1 + 2. The reason why it could be a lot better ... 3 and 4. What would improve 3 + 4? 5 + 6!

LucaGol
06-14-2008, 10:39 AM
Blatter is overshooting his actual target of required domestic players per team with the 6+5 rule.

Club teams will balk at it...but still agree to some sort of law that ensures a certain amount of domestics....say..3...which is probably all that Blatter wants all along....and is probably more appropriate and reasonable anyways.

If teams can't at least field 3 domestic players in a starting 11...that doesn't seem right on some level.....e.g Arsenal and Inter.


I personally would be excited to see what sort of effect this has on the footballing order in Europe as it is now become too poacher driven. The top teams are dominating too much and the teams in the tier below them are left without any chance in hell of achieving anything.

There should be at least 4 or 5 teams from the big leagues, 2 or 3 from the 2nd tier leagues and definitely 1 from the third tier leagues who can all be on some sort of equal footing in Europe in terms of quality of play.

This rule is aimed at improving the football in your own country.....some form of parity will be an offshoot of that goal.

BeachRed
06-14-2008, 12:35 PM
A nationality based quota is illegal and will fail but I think Blatter knows that what he thinks he can get is a homegrown quota which the EU has shown some willingness to towards.

Don't other sports in Europe like hockey and basketball have homegrown quotas?