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Ontario Arab
04-07-2009, 05:43 PM
Hes in the shit in Glasgow and apparantley 3 Australian teams looking at him for the summer....DP material.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/7986956.stm

H Bomb
04-07-2009, 05:45 PM
problem for me is that he isn't enough of an upgrade in the middle to pay him DP money AND get rid of one of our big players (guevara would probably be odd man out)

TFC Bhoy
04-07-2009, 05:55 PM
ok yes I am a die hard celtic fan and so hate the Rangers, but that has nothing to do with why I wouldn't want him. As much as it pains me to say, he actually used to be a great solid player, but over the last few seasons he has gone way down hill. I have even heard from a number of Ranger fans they are happy he is suspended for 2 weeks as they have been playing better when he had been injured then when he was in the squad. I don't think bazza would be an improvement

t.o_moose
04-07-2009, 06:54 PM
no offense to the original poster, but why would we want a player who's shit anywhere?

Toronto_Bhoy
04-07-2009, 09:25 PM
Has been discussed in a number of threads already but to summerize...

NO!

His skills are rapidly evaporating. Many in Govan are glad to see him go. He's an old 31 and has bad ankles...the turf here would be murder on them.

For the money we could get much more...Rangers are hopeful that the guy we sold them will replace him...enough said.

torontocelt
04-07-2009, 10:01 PM
It amazes me to think that still some people believe Ferguson isn't good enough for TFC even after what they seen on Saturday? Ferguson has had a tough time with Rangers but he was coming back on to a game and at his best he is better than any in the TFC midfield. Apparently Dick Advocatt fancies him for Zenit and they are just a tad better than TFC. One of the reasons Rangers are looking to get rid of him is they are big time in debt and he is one of if not the biggest earner, Rangers are in bad shape at the minute, you have got to love it. Ferguson is still a good footballer who could well handle MLS standards and he would be an excellent captain for an MLS team due to his experience and his ability to provide leadership on the pitch and this is coming from a Celtic fan. One thing Toronto FC definitely lacks is leadership, I would love TFC to sign Ferguson but I would be amazed if that ever happened.

Bars92
04-07-2009, 10:12 PM
Yeah he will go to Europe before he comes here.

Toronto_Bhoy
04-07-2009, 11:36 PM
It amazes me to think that still some people believe Ferguson isn't good enough for TFC even after what they seen on Saturday? Ferguson has had a tough time with Rangers but he was coming back on to a game and at his best he is better than any in the TFC midfield. Apparently Dick Advocatt fancies him for Zenit and they are just a tad better than TFC. One of the reasons Rangers are looking to get rid of him is they are big time in debt and he is one of if not the biggest earner, Rangers are in bad shape at the minute, you have got to love it. Ferguson is still a good footballer who could well handle MLS standards and he would be an excellent captain for an MLS team due to his experience and his ability to provide leadership on the pitch and this is coming from a Celtic fan. One thing Toronto FC definitely lacks is leadership, I would love TFC to sign Ferguson but I would be amazed if that ever happened.

Barry is done.

In his day he was a very good football player and more importantly a great servant to Rangers but its passed him. I watch Rangers every week and he just isn't the player he was. Injury after injury have taken their toll...and his attitude has hampered his ability to be truly marketable. He got homesick playing in Blackburn...a car drive away. How's he going to handle Russia or Australia or North America?

This Scotland incident is a get out of jail card for Walter Smith. He now see's what Le Guen saw two years ago. The only downside for Rangers is both he and McGregor's stock is falling quicker than the TSE!

Rumours are neither will ever wear the Light Blue again...this guy was a God in Govan and it sounds like he's being tossed to the side of the road...Sir Minty and Walter know.

torontocelt
04-08-2009, 06:31 AM
I'm not saying Ferguson is the god of all football but he is good enough for TFC and he has played 135 games for Rangers since 2005 according to wiki so that is still more than 25 games a season, that isn't bad.

Canadian Blue
04-08-2009, 08:01 AM
and he would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaay better that RR. Maybe slide Dero out to the right??

shaggingscot
04-08-2009, 08:11 AM
Stop the insanity already! He's a self centred twat who the last time I checked didn't play in the middle of the back four....would be a waste of money. With our rug he'd be lucky to play half the matches. Spend the money somewhere else.

torontocelt
04-08-2009, 11:37 AM
Agreed I would rather spend the money on the defence but I am just saying that Ferguson is definitely good enough to play for TFC, I don't see how that can be disputed considering the calibre of some players who currently play for the team. With regards to the injury problems, in season 2007/2008 which ended only last May Ferguson had played in 61 games for Rangers including 18 European games, that is a whole lot of games for someone to play so I think that the injury worries are not as bad as some people seem to think? If by some miracle TFC managed to get enough money to not only pay a transfer fee for him but also pay his wages then I reckon he would do the team a lot of good.

SanStarko
04-08-2009, 12:03 PM
AWith regards to the injury problems, in season 2007/2008 which ended only last May Ferguson had played in 61 games for Rangers including 18 European games, that is a whole lot of games for someone to play so I think that the injury worries are not as bad as some people seem to think?

You're missing the fact that for a big chunk of that season he was having to take painkiller injections to get through each game.

He's had operations on both ankles and one of his knees. He's nowhere near the player he used to be, no doubt due to his insistance on trying to play through injuries which has now caught up with him.

He may well do alright if he was playing in the MLS, but how long would he last? To be honest, if it does turn out that his Rangers career is over then I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if he decided to retire.

Bluenose13
04-08-2009, 02:30 PM
Edu, scored for Rangers today :D

Corcai
04-08-2009, 08:07 PM
The equivalent of my 3 year old daughter scoring at Timbits Indoor Soccer.

Given that it was St Mirren in all.

weeskunner57
04-09-2009, 09:24 AM
Stop the insanity already! He's a self centred twat who the last time I checked didn't play in the middle of the back four....would be a waste of money. With our rug he'd be lucky to play half the matches. Spend the money somewhere else.

AGREED....

FERGUSON WHO..???
WHO THE FUCK CARES
WE'VE GOT EDU......:hump:

KenSAFC-TFC
04-09-2009, 01:50 PM
Hes in the shit in Glasgow and apparantley 3 Australian teams looking at him for the summer....DP material.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/7986956.stm

Not good enough

KenSAFC-TFC
04-09-2009, 01:51 PM
ok yes I am a die hard celtic fan and so hate the Rangers, but that has nothing to do with why I wouldn't want him. As much as it pains me to say, he actually used to be a great solid player, but over the last few seasons he has gone way down hill. I have even heard from a number of Ranger fans they are happy he is suspended for 2 weeks as they have been playing better when he had been injured then when he was in the squad. I don't think bazza would be an improvement
he would not be any sort of upgrade on what we already have.

Ontario Arab
04-09-2009, 05:14 PM
Interesting stuff.........I actually think his form is suffering due to the youngsters Rangers have. I think he is an ideal MLS player but each to their own. Sometimes a guy needs achange of scenery to revitalize himself.

Bars92
04-09-2009, 08:04 PM
he would not be any sort of upgrade on what we already have.

The SPL is a much better league than MLS, Ferguson being one of the better players. His recent poor run of form acknowleged. But, I don't think you even know what your talking about. :drinking:

torontocelt
04-09-2009, 08:09 PM
The equivalent of my 3 year old daughter scoring at Timbits Indoor Soccer.

Given that it was St Mirren in all.

Seriously I like TFC but comments like that are just nuts. Do you really think TFC are significantly better or even just better than St Mirren, I don't? TFC are a new club but they have finished last and second last in their MLS group the past two seasons. After what I seen on Saturday St Mirren would give TFC a game.

RedWookie
04-09-2009, 08:18 PM
You can feel free to make fun of me as I am still trying to learn the lingo but what is a Dp and what do they do for a team?

start the mocking.....now!

Carter
04-09-2009, 08:35 PM
The Designated Player Rule, nicknamed the Beckham Rule, was adopted as part of the salary cap (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salary_cap) regulations of Major League Soccer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Soccer) for the 2007 season. The rule allows each MLS franchise to sign one player that would be considered outside of the teams' salary cap, allowing U.S. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) and Canadian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada) teams to compete for star players in the international soccer market.
The salary cap was estimated to be around US$ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar)1.9 million in 2006[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_Player_Rule#cite_note-0), was $2.1 million in 2007 and was raised to $2.3 million for the 2008 season.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_Player_Rule#cite_note-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_Player_Rule#cite_note-nytdp09-2)
Under the rule:


For each designated player, $415,000[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_Player_Rule#cite_note-nytdp09-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_Player_Rule#cite_note-3) of his salary is charged to the salary cap, with any remaining salary toward the player being imposed on the individual owner, and not counted against the cap. The cap hit was increased for the 2009 season from $400,000 the previous two seasons.
Prior to the 2007 season, there were four players whose salary exceeded $400,000. These players include Landon Donovan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landon_Donovan), Carlos Ruiz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Ruiz) and Eddie Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Johnson_%28American_soccer%29). According to the rule, they were grandfathered (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandfather_clause) in for the 2007 season. The exemption was extended after the season, with the league planning to review the issue at a future date, possibly requiring the players contracts to be renegotiated or to be considered a designated player. Prior to the start of the 2008 MLS season, Johnson moved to Fulham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulham_F.C.) of the Premier League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League)[1] (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/f/fulham/7202841.stm). After Dwayne DeResario (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwayne_DeResario) was signed by Toronto FC in January 2009, Ruiz was released by the club causing him to leave MLS to play for Olimpia Asunción (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olimpia_Asunci%C3%B3n). Donovan is the lone player whose 2009 salary remains grandfathered under the exemption provision. However, there are several more players whose guaranteed salary exceed the DP amount, but whose salary cap expense is actually lower than their true salary thanks to the allocation rule (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allocation_%28MLS%29). These players include Shalrie Joseph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shalrie_Joseph) ($450,000), Christian Gomez ($430,000), DeResario ($425,750) and Taylor Twellman ($420,000).
There will initially be one designated player slot available to each team in the league. A team can trade their designated player slot; teams are allowed a maximum of two slots.
Only $335,000[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Designated_Player_Rule#cite_note-nytdp09-2) of a team's second designated player will count against the salary cap, an increase from $325,000 in 2008.

jloome
04-09-2009, 08:39 PM
The SPL is a much better league than MLS, Ferguson being one of the better players. His recent poor run of form acknowleged. But, I don't think you even know what your talking about. :drinking:

Having watched the SPL for three years now, I think you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. It's an apples and oranges comparison, firstly, in style of play. Then beyond Celtic and Rangers, and occasionally Motherwell or Aberdeen, that league is absolutely no better than MLS. More disciplined and mature in its playing style, maybe, but with poorer, slower athletes in general.

And MLS's history is rife with guys who had long and succesful years in Scotland but were mediocre at best over here. Some have gone the other way; Kenny Deuchar was pretty mediocre for RSL, but he's playing in the SPL now. Tam McManus played at Hibs, Dunfermline and Dundee, but stunk up the joint frequently at Colorado.

RedWookie
04-09-2009, 08:56 PM
Hmm...I really like the idea of a salary cap. People should play for the love of the game first. but of course people need to make money and they should be paid their worth

FCBarcelona
04-10-2009, 08:13 AM
Hes in the shit in Glasgow and apparantley 3 Australian teams looking at him for the summer....DP material.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/7986956.stm
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Please NO,

MO knows him very well i sure hope this does not happen .The Glasgow b*^%$#!!

torontocelt
04-10-2009, 08:44 AM
Having watched the SPL for three years now, I think you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. It's an apples and oranges comparison, firstly, in style of play. Then beyond Celtic and Rangers, and occasionally Motherwell or Aberdeen, that league is absolutely no better than MLS. More disciplined and mature in its playing style, maybe, but with poorer, slower athletes in general.

And MLS's history is rife with guys who had long and succesful years in Scotland but were mediocre at best over here. Some have gone the other way; Kenny Deuchar was pretty mediocre for RSL, but he's playing in the SPL now. Tam McManus played at Hibs, Dunfermline and Dundee, but stunk up the joint frequently at Colorado.

I wouldn't say the SPL was better than MLS, the SPL isn't great either. Hearts and Hibs are also decent teams, Hibs in particular play some good football although Hearts have a better winning mentality. TFC would struggle against many of the SPL teams, I have not doubt in that. My original complaint was of comparing St Mirren to a timbits team, that is rubbish. As for Deuchar he was prolific in the leagues under the SPL not in the SPL so for me that comparison proves nothing. Tam McManus was at the end of his career and had dropped down many levels of team when he signed for the MLS, you cannot really use him as a comparison of how good the SPL is when he was never really that good anyway. Also for what it is worth I would rather have a guy that can play football than an athlete in my team, watch Smith at TFC, he doesn't have a clue.

bhoybobby
04-10-2009, 09:32 AM
Not with a barge pole, he's a self centered yob, who's let his team & nations down. Rangwer pervious Mgr Le Guen lost a power struggle with him.

The decent man that is Walter Smith Jettisoned this cancer as quick as he could. No thanks, he's past his sell by date anyway

I_AM_CANADIAN
04-10-2009, 10:17 AM
Hes in the shit in Glasgow and apparantley 3 Australian teams looking at him for the summer....DP material.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/7986956.stm
He has a rep as a disruptive influence for club and country, most notably stated by former Rangers (and current PSG) manager Paul Le Guen. I don't know if he'd be the right guy.

druid
04-10-2009, 03:33 PM
He has a rep as a disruptive influence for club and country, most notably stated by former Rangers (and current PSG) manager Paul Le Guen. I don't know if he'd be the right guy.

Good point about his disposition. And he's definitely on the way down career wise.

Not as technically talented as Amando but would definitely offer more spine in the middle of the park... until someone kicked his glass ankle.

Anyway, its a non issue. He won't come, we couldn't afford him, and we probably wouldn't want him.

Ontario Arab
04-10-2009, 03:40 PM
Seriously I like TFC but comments like that are just nuts. Do you really think TFC are significantly better or even just better than St Mirren, I don't? TFC are a new club but they have finished last and second last in their MLS group the past two seasons. After what I seen on Saturday St Mirren would give TFC a game.

Agreed some of the comments about the spl are just way off the mark...its almost comical. To put it in perspective Im pretty sure TFC (who I love btw) would have a difficult time with some of the bigger first division sides.

Beach_Red
04-10-2009, 03:58 PM
Seriously I like TFC but comments like that are just nuts. Do you really think TFC are significantly better or even just better than St Mirren, I don't? TFC are a new club but they have finished last and second last in their MLS group the past two seasons. After what I seen on Saturday St Mirren would give TFC a game.

Yeah, but after last Saturday, how do you think Seattle would do against St. Mirren?

Any idea what St. Mirren's payroll is, by the way?

Last week I saw a show called The Full SPL for the first time and one thing I noticed that MLS and the lower teams in the SPL seem to have in common is lots and lots of empty seats at the stadiums. Is that usual for those games?

Ontario Arab
04-10-2009, 04:00 PM
Having watched the SPL for three years now, I think you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. It's an apples and oranges comparison, firstly, in style of play. Then beyond Celtic and Rangers, and occasionally Motherwell or Aberdeen, that league is absolutely no better than MLS. More disciplined and mature in its playing style, maybe, but with poorer, slower athletes in general.

And MLS's history is rife with guys who had long and succesful years in Scotland but were mediocre at best over here. Some have gone the other way; Kenny Deuchar was pretty mediocre for RSL, but he's playing in the SPL now. Tam McManus played at Hibs, Dunfermline and Dundee, but stunk up the joint frequently at Colorado.

I guess the same applies to Beckham then as he has regulary stunk up the joint for LA so that must mean that MLS is superior to the EPL and Seria A then....or is it possible that he just doesnt have any talent around him in LA......as for poorer slower athletes I think you d better look at our roster first before talking nonsense pal. I would also imagine that there would be all kinds of ex MLS players playing in Scotland if they are better than the locals. BTW Deuchar and McAnus cant cut it anywhere hence ending up on a transatlantic flight in the first place......get your facts right. Back to the main topic tho......Fergusson has lots left in the tank and is the type of player who you can count on to come up large when it counts.......was merly suggesting that if he sneaks off to the OZ league without anyone here even making an inquiry then thats kinda nuts.:noidea::canada:;)

torontocelt
04-10-2009, 05:13 PM
Yeah, but after last Saturday, how do you think Seattle would do against St. Mirren?

Any idea what St. Mirren's payroll is, by the way?

Last week I saw a show called The Full SPL for the first time and one thing I noticed that MLS and the lower teams in the SPL seem to have in common is lots and lots of empty seats at the stadiums. Is that usual for those games?

Well Seattle looked like a decent team but TFC were very poor so it is difficult to say. Seattle were well organized though and you always stand a chance if you have organisation in your team. Certainly in Ljungberg they have a player who is still very talented, way above anything st mirren could offer. It is difficult to say but on their day St mirren have proven against the old firm that they are capable and recently St Mirren beat Celtic 1 - 0 a week after being beaten by Celtic 7 - 0, that says a lot about their players mentality as most people would have thought that mentally they would have been beaten before a ball had even been kicked. On what I seen last week I would think Seattle would win the match, I just dont like how some TFC supporters come across as being arrogant when they have nothing to be arrogant about. I could understand it if a Man U fan was being arrogant about st mirren but not a TFC fan, in short you have to be able to back it up if you are gonna talk trash about another team and Toronto fans are a long way off being able to do that.

With regards to the empty seats, its well documented the old firm have basically gobbled up the majority of football fans throughout scotland, they are not just supported in Glasgow. On top of that a lot of Scots people support English teams. Many of the tickets for SPL teams are quite expensive and there is a recession on so there will be empty seats. Also there is 40 teams in Scotland which is way too much but many of them have long histories so they dont want to fold or merge. The structure in Scottish football isn't great but for a league which is in a country with a population of only 5 million it is pretty decent, just not as glamourous as our English cousins product.

Bars92
04-10-2009, 05:29 PM
Having watched the SPL for three years now, I think you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. It's an apples and oranges comparison, firstly, in style of play. Then beyond Celtic and Rangers, and occasionally Motherwell or Aberdeen, that league is absolutely no better than MLS. More disciplined and mature in its playing style, maybe, but with poorer, slower athletes in general.

And MLS's history is rife with guys who had long and succesful years in Scotland but were mediocre at best over here. Some have gone the other way; Kenny Deuchar was pretty mediocre for RSL, but he's playing in the SPL now. Tam McManus played at Hibs, Dunfermline and Dundee, but stunk up the joint frequently at Colorado.

Yeah and George Best played for San Jose:D

druid
04-10-2009, 05:58 PM
Yeah, but after last Saturday, how do you think Seattle would do against St. Mirren?

It could go either way. Both teams would be well organized well defensively. Seattle will have better "stars" but the average squad player would be a little better for St Mirren. Seattle might offer a little more in the way of attack.


Any idea what St. Mirren's payroll is, by the way?

I'd guess it would be a little under $2M CAD.


Last week I saw a show called The Full SPL for the first time and one thing I noticed that MLS and the lower teams in the SPL seem to have in common is lots and lots of empty seats at the stadiums. Is that usual for those games?

Yeah. When Celtic or Rangers come through their fans will take up as much as half the Stadium but all the money pouring into the EPL hurts the Scottish game quite a bit. Celtic and Rangers being so far a head of the other teams also warps the league quite a bit.

RedLion
04-10-2009, 06:23 PM
Barry is done.

In his day he was a very good football player and more importantly a great servant to Rangers but its passed him. I watch Rangers every week and he just isn't the player he was. Injury after injury have taken their toll...and his attitude has hampered his ability to be truly marketable. He got homesick playing in Blackburn...a car drive away. How's he going to handle Russia or Australia or North America?

This Scotland incident is a get out of jail card for Walter Smith. He now see's what Le Guen saw two years ago. The only downside for Rangers is both he and McGregor's stock is falling quicker than the TSE!

Rumours are neither will ever wear the Light Blue again...this guy was a God in Govan and it sounds like he's being tossed to the side of the road...Sir Minty and Walter know.

I have to agree.
Barry's done. It pains me to see the way he's going to finish his Rangers and Scotland career - I'll be absolutely amazed if he's back at Rangers next season. As many people are saying, the whole debacle is giving Walter an easier way to make the difficult decision.

At his best, Barry could hold his own against any competition and he's been a loyal servant. It sickens me that this is how it's going to end.

Anyway, in response to the OP, the answer is a definite No.

RedLion
04-10-2009, 06:24 PM
^Think I depressed myself with my last post, so, looking on the bright side :)


AGREED....

FERGUSON WHO..???
WHO THE FUCK CARES
WE'VE GOT EDU......:hump:

James Oliphant
04-10-2009, 06:26 PM
Wow...Hoops and 'Gers fans agreeing. Never thought I'd see the day.

:D

Toronto_Bhoy
04-10-2009, 08:16 PM
Last week I saw a show called The Full SPL for the first time and one thing I noticed that MLS and the lower teams in the SPL seem to have in common is lots and lots of empty seats at the stadiums. Is that usual for those games?

Scotland is a nation of about the same population as the Golden Horseshoe…barely 5 million people. There just isn't the population base to sustain the price of tickets.

Many teams in the SPL (St. Mirren, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, Falkirk, Hamilton…Hibs and Hearts are about 70k) are within a 50 km radius of Celtic Park or Ibrox…competition for smaller clubs is extremely difficult…

Think of it this way, if the NHL put 8 franchises (in hockey mad Southern Ontario) between Oshawa and Niagara Falls what would you guess attendance would be?

Just a thought…

Beach_Red
04-10-2009, 08:33 PM
Scotland is a nation of about the same population as the Golden Horseshoe…barely 5 million people. There just isn't the population base to sustain the price of tickets.

Many teams in the SPL (St. Mirren, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, Falkirk, Hamilton…Hibs and Hearts are about 70k) are within a 50 km radius of Celtic Park or Ibrox…competition for smaller clubs is extremely difficult…

Think of it this way, if the NHL put 8 franchises (in hockey mad Southern Ontario) between Oshawa and Niagara Falls what would you guess attendance would be?

Just a thought…

I appreciate all the answers to my questions, guys.

There was a time in Canada when many more pro and semi-pro hockey teams were supported and there were a lot more leagues but most died out in the 60's when the NHL expanded and games got shown on TV a lot more.

Of course, the teams in Scotland have been around a lot longer and they still get a few games a year against the Old Firm, so that makes a big difference. Chances are if the Sherbrooke Saints could have played a few games a year against the Canadiens they might still be around.

Ontario Arab
04-11-2009, 10:09 AM
Yeah and George Best played for San Jose:D Is that Mr Feeney on your avatar..lol. Good player. TFC would love to have him. The poor wee lad has food poisoning today...ie a hangover....lolloloollllll fucker.

Ontario Arab
04-11-2009, 10:19 AM
Well Seattle looked like a decent team but TFC were very poor so it is difficult to say. Seattle were well organized though and you always stand a chance if you have organisation in your team. Certainly in Ljungberg they have a player who is still very talented, way above anything st mirren could offer. It is difficult to say but on their day St mirren have proven against the old firm that they are capable and recently St Mirren beat Celtic 1 - 0 a week after being beaten by Celtic 7 - 0, that says a lot about their players mentality as most people would have thought that mentally they would have been beaten before a ball had even been kicked. On what I seen last week I would think Seattle would win the match, able to do that.I just dont like how some TFC supporters come across as being arrogant when they have nothing to be arrogant about. I could understand it if a Man U fan was being arrogant about st mirren but not a TFC fan, in short you have to be able to back it up if you are gonna talk trash about another team and Toronto fans are a long way off being

With regards to the empty seats, its well documented the old firm have basically gobbled up the majority of football fans throughout scotland, they are not just supported in Glasgow. On top of that a lot of Scots people support English teams. Many of the tickets for SPL teams are quite expensive and there is a recession on so there will be empty seats. Also there is 40 teams in Scotland which is way too much but many of them have long histories so they dont want to fold or merge. The structure in Scottish football isn't great but for a league which is in a country with a population of only 5 million it is pretty decent, just not as glamourous as our English cousins product.

Cheers mate....and before any shit starts I LOVE MY TFC....but the trashing of other leagues and teams who have been around for a long long time a lot more than 3 years HAS to stop....for one it looks ridiculous to people from other continents who happen across this board....CMON TFC....:canada:

Ontario Arab
04-25-2009, 10:10 AM
Hate to cast up an old thread but seems like he,ll be off to Spurs then in the summer.....good enough for EPL but not good enough for MLS...funny thing that...lollol