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T0R0NT0 FC
03-24-2009, 07:48 AM
"Hundreds of players in the Championship, League One and League Two are in danger of being out of work this summer as up to 10 clubs could go bust because of the economic crisis. (Daily Mirror)"

Taken from: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/default.stm

Looks like the MLS mid season transfer window could be interesting... It could be a great year for TFC and other MLS clubs to strengthen their teams. :canada:

drewski
03-24-2009, 07:58 AM
when does the 6+5 rule come into effect?

I imagine that will make for a busy transfer window with a lot of foreign players coming free

flatpicker
03-24-2009, 08:17 AM
Clubs are fighting for survival as credit crunch takes its toll

Daily Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2009/03/24/clubs-are-fighting-for-survival-are-credit-crunch-takes-its-toll-115875-21223958/)


The eye of the storm is the one place the tempest is calm.
But even though Lord Mawhinney believes the Football League over which he presides will survive the greatest economic threat the game has known, he admits the worst is yet to come.
The apocalyptic warnings of wholesale redundancies and clubs going out of business are the sort of doom-laden forecasts he has heard ever since taking the job when the League was still reeling from the ITV Digital disaster.
Yet while Mawhinney is confident there will still be 72 League clubs when the economic chaos eventually subsides, he does not try to pretend there may not be casualties on the way. I'm not sure everybody really has a sense of how bad things are and how hard they're going to get," he admitted.
"I've said to all the owners and shareholders that they've been protected from the worst of what's going on. They sold this season's tickets and executive boxes in the commercial market 12 months ago.
"But the world has changed hugely since then and it's over the next three months they will discover how much it's changed. What has happened so far is only the tip of the iceberg. I have told the clubs that I believe life will be extremely tough through to the end of the 2011-2012 season.
"That's a scary prospect for all businesses - and clubs have to understand they are not protected from the real world."
The Ulsterman added: "What I would say to every club is simple. If your attitude is that it can't happen to you, then you do not have a realistic business plan. This is the time to batten down the hatches. Directors must have realistic business plans.
"They have to control all their costs and of course wages are the single biggest outlay for most clubs.
"I've been exploring with owners and shareholders if they'd like to put in place some sort of limit on wages but different clubs take a different attitude. It's a dog eat dog world."
Financially, Mawhinney and his board have done plenty, increasing sponsorship deals for the Carling Cup and the Johnstone's Paint Trophy while the new BBC/BSkyB deal from next season will see more than a doubling of revenues to £88million per season.
That will work out at around £2.9m for each club in the Championship, £440,000 for League One sides and £300,000 for the teams in the bottom tier.
But Mawhinney admits the time for harsh decisions for football is here. He said: "Clubs are already under pressure so they have to think deeply about ticket prices.
"If unemployment is going to rise to three million over the next year, a lot of those people will be football fans and they will just not have the disposable income to come to games.
"But one of the things we do not have the power to do is see the clubs' books. Most of the time we only know about clubs getting into serious trouble when they tell us and Darlington didn't tell us they were going into administration until an hour beforehand."


SEVEN CLUBS IN TROUBLE

CHARLTON
Seemingly they are doomed to League One and with debts of around £21million.
SOUTHAMPTON
Under a cloud. A 10-point penalty now would kill off any chance of beating the drop.
STOCKPORT
Chief executive Sean Connelly last week placed an embargo on a statement about the club's plight.
CHELTENHAM
Manager Martin Allen has been told all his playing squad are effectively for sale now.
BOURNEMOUTH
A new consortium is attempting to take over.Players have only had 40 per cent of last month's wages.
DARLINGTON
Already in administration over debts of £6m but need to average gates of 6,000 to break even.
CHESTER CITY
Look to be safer now with Liverpool-based property developer in the process of a buy-out.

Steve
03-24-2009, 08:45 AM
"I've been exploring with owners and shareholders if they'd like to put in place some sort of limit on wages but different clubs take a different attitude. It's a dog eat dog world."


MLS is so Mickey Mouse! Get rid of the salary cap! Get rid of single entity! Look at how the rest of the footballing world is doing it!

Oh wait...

maninb
03-24-2009, 08:55 AM
MLS is so Mickey Mouse! Get rid of the salary cap! Get rid of single entity! Look at how the rest of the footballing world is doing it!

Oh wait...

I have absolutely no complaint about what Garber is doing...Sure we could raise the salary cap SLIGHTLY but at least they're erring on the side of caution...All these people screaming for more Canadian teams (especially Ottawa which IMO can't support a team longterm) just don't seem to get it.

Lucky Strike
03-24-2009, 09:03 AM
MLS is so Mickey Mouse! Get rid of the salary cap! Get rid of single entity! Look at how the rest of the footballing world is doing it!

Oh wait...

+1. I do think the cap could use a modest boost, but MLS is in great shape and if the snobs are too stupid to see what works, well they had it coming. I don't wish any club to fold, but if they don't change...

flatpicker
03-24-2009, 09:11 AM
+2

I have never been opposed to the salary cap.
I also think it could be a bit higher... and hope it will be a lot higher in the years to come.
But having that control and security is good for the league!

James17930
03-24-2009, 10:00 AM
SEVEN CLUBS IN TROUBLE

CHARLTON
Seemingly they are doomed to League One and with debts of around £21million.
SOUTHAMPTON
Under a cloud. A 10-point penalty now would kill off any chance of beating the drop.
STOCKPORT
Chief executive Sean Connelly last week placed an embargo on a statement about the club's plight.
CHELTENHAM
Manager Martin Allen has been told all his playing squad are effectively for sale now.
BOURNEMOUTH
A new consortium is attempting to take over.Players have only had 40 per cent of last month's wages.
DARLINGTON
Already in administration over debts of £6m but need to average gates of 6,000 to break even.
CHESTER CITY
Look to be safer now with Liverpool-based property developer in the process of a buy-out.

Anyone good on any of those clubs?

tfcleeds
03-24-2009, 10:22 AM
Anyone good on any of those clubs?

I've been keeping an eye on Tommy Rowe's progress for Stockport - a 20 year old winger. He's received considerable attention from bigger clubs, not sure that he's represented England at the U-21 level though, at least, not according to Wikipedia. But for someone who's been tipped to represent England in the future, I can't see him coming over here yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Rowe

It's extremely unfortunate, but economic reality dictates that some Football League clubs will likely disappear over the next few years. Last club I can think of that went under while they were in the League was Maidstone United, that would have been back in the early 90s. However, I don't think all 72 Football League clubs will make it through the next few years unscathed. I believe the Football League can still remain at 72 clubs though, since there are a number of clubs in the Conference who are on better financial footing than a lot of League clubs, and could potentially replace those that don't survive. However, it is sad to see any clubs go under, since they are the heart of the communities they represent.

James17930
03-24-2009, 10:39 AM
^Interesting. Thanks for the info.

Sab0tage
03-24-2009, 10:42 AM
Sorry, not related, but on that BBC link:

Manchester United fear Cristiano Ronaldo could quit English football because of a lack of protection from referees. (Daily Mail)

:D What a baby.

Lucky Strike
03-24-2009, 10:47 AM
Anyone good on any of those clubs?

MF Andrew (Andy) Surman from Southhampton. 7 goals and 6 assists in 37 games (all starts) on a pathetic team.

Whoop
03-24-2009, 10:56 AM
I was thinking Michael Svensson for our D.

NF-FC
03-24-2009, 10:58 AM
Sorry, not related, but on that BBC link:

Manchester United fear Cristiano Ronaldo could quit English football because of a lack of protection from referees. (Daily Mail)

:D What a baby.

That's worthy of it's own thread. I wish i was a defender in the prem!

TFC USA
03-24-2009, 11:01 AM
If this was last year Mo would've blown his load and signed 50 of them. :D

But now I think he's changed!

tfcleeds
03-24-2009, 11:02 AM
That's worthy of it's own thread. I wish i was a defender in the prem!

It would probably already have a thread, if the international football forum was up and running...;)

NF-FC
03-24-2009, 11:04 AM
It would probably already have a thread, if the international football forum was up and running...;)

touche salesman

devioustrevor
03-24-2009, 11:56 AM
when does the 6+5 rule come into effect?




In all likelyhood......never. FIFA rules don't supercede National laws and the 6+5 rule would cause naturalized citizens and citizens who represent other nations as inferior in their own country. I honestly can't see it ever happening.

Shway
03-24-2009, 12:06 PM
gettt ouut of here with these teams, i rather look for players in USL and PDL then players in League 1 or 2

MadMike
03-24-2009, 12:11 PM
Great ... that's all we need, a bunch of Andy Welsh's in the league !!

devioustrevor
03-24-2009, 12:20 PM
Great ... that's all we need, a bunch of Andy Welsh's in the league !!


As long as they're on the other teams and not ours.

MadMike
03-24-2009, 12:22 PM
Hahahaha .... true, but that would be some tuff games to watch

devioustrevor
03-24-2009, 12:28 PM
Also, the better players and prospects on teams like Charlton and Southampton are likely to be picked up by other Championship (or even Premiership) teams. Realistically off their rosters a team like TFC may have an outside shot a players like Svetoslav Todorov, Jonathan Fortune, Michael Svensson, Stern John or if we were really lucky Grzegorz Rasiak.

anto7
03-24-2009, 02:20 PM
I've been keeping an eye on Tommy Rowe's progress for Stockport - a 20 year old winger. He's received considerable attention from bigger clubs, not sure that he's represented England at the U-21 level though, at least, not according to Wikipedia. But for someone who's been tipped to represent England in the future, I can't see him coming over here yet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Rowe

It's extremely unfortunate, but economic reality dictates that some Football League clubs will likely disappear over the next few years. Last club I can think of that went under while they were in the League was Maidstone United, that would have been back in the early 90s. However, I don't think all 72 Football League clubs will make it through the next few years unscathed. I believe the Football League can still remain at 72 clubs though, since there are a number of clubs in the Conference who are on better financial footing than a lot of League clubs, and could potentially replace those that don't survive. However, it is sad to see any clubs go under, since they are the heart of the communities they represent.
I assume when you say "72 Football League Clubs" that you are not including the 20 Premiership clubs ?.

tfcleeds
03-24-2009, 02:24 PM
I assume when you say "72 Football League Clubs" that you are not including the 20 Premiership clubs ?.

That's right...

Dirk Diggler
03-24-2009, 02:38 PM
I know we won't be getting any super prospects but there will certainly be a lot of Darren Huckerby types out on the market this summer. Players of his calibre would certainly add productively to our league.

ExiledRed
03-24-2009, 02:39 PM
MLS is so Mickey Mouse! Get rid of the salary cap! Get rid of single entity! Look at how the rest of the footballing world is doing it!

Oh wait...

Most of these championship teams and lower have a sort of cap imposed on them anyway, based on their gate. This article doesnt suggest that premiership teams are in trouble.

The single entity thing and the $2 million salary cap hasn't protected individual MLS teams going under in the past, it won't protect against people being unable to afford tickets, and it wont grow the leagues pretige or attractiveness to foreign talent. Why is it so brilliant again?

jloome
03-24-2009, 03:51 PM
IT's kind of moot. The best players -- the ones we'd want -- will be sold for the highest transfer fees they can get, to help offset debts. And MLS doesn't do big transfer fees.

The lesser players will get releases. But what would they add here? Neither scenario would suggest a lot of them winding up in MLS.

rocker
03-24-2009, 04:08 PM
Most of these championship teams and lower have a sort of cap imposed on them anyway, based on their gate. This article doesnt suggest that premiership teams are in trouble.

The single entity thing and the $2 million salary cap hasn't protected individual MLS teams going under in the past, it won't protect against people being unable to afford tickets, and it wont grow the leagues pretige or attractiveness to foreign talent. Why is it so brilliant again?

it's brilliant because it means the La Galaxy can't buy a championship :)

Also, the gate doesn't serve as a league cap in the championship because it varies from team to team. The point of a cap is to have a uniform limit across all teams to ensure you can't just buy a championship.

Calvin
03-25-2009, 10:07 AM
I dont know how confident I am we would pick up an imported central defender. We usually import flashy players. but (see next post)

Calvin
03-25-2009, 10:08 AM
Anyone good on any of those clubs?

Central Defenders Who Might Become Available:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/José_Semedo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Hu...ller_born_1982)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_Youga
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yassin_Moutaouakil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Svensson
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Thomas_(footballer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Perry_(footballer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Lancashire
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Rose_(footballer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Tunnicliffe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Linwood
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_V...ller_born_1986)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Valentine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_F...ller_born_1974)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_White_(footballer)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Pearce
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Cummings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Garry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Guyett

ExiledRed
03-25-2009, 10:20 AM
it's brilliant because it means the La Galaxy can't buy a championship :)

Also, the gate doesn't serve as a league cap in the championship because it varies from team to team. The point of a cap is to have a uniform limit across all teams to ensure you can't just buy a championship.

Yep, no surprise there, Rocker thinks the salary cap is brilliant.

It also means that small teams with no fans, and a poor gate can win the double.

Enjoy your fat free ice cream and .5% beer, mate.

ensco
03-25-2009, 11:24 AM
I think this idea that MLS is doing great while all other leagues are suffering is a rank fantasy, based solely on its recent success in getting a handful of rich people to pay expansion fees.

The growth in the number of teams is nice, don't get me wrong, but anyone who followed the NASL knows that this doesn't really matter in the end. "Success" is only about attendance figures and TV ratings. And in this respect the league is taking steps backwards, not forwards. It has beautiful new stadiums in a majority of its markets, but attendance in existing markets is flat or down when true year-to-year comparisons are applied.

The only objective conclusion is that the salary cap is holding down both costs and revenues. TV remains a big zero for the league as a whole, and this is a direct consequence of the cap. TV needs stars.

As a business strategy, the salary cap is a big question mark.

As a fan, I hate it.

devioustrevor
03-25-2009, 11:47 AM
I'm almost certain a player like Jose Semedo will be staying in Europe. Somebody will give him a job for more than he'd make in MLS.

ACSertL
03-25-2009, 11:53 AM
Methinks Svensson is out, from his wiki:


On 24 January 2009, Svensson joined new manager Mark Wotte (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Wotte)'s coaching staff as an assistant first team coach alongside Dean Gorré (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Gorr%C3%A9)

brad
03-25-2009, 11:57 AM
it's brilliant because it means the La Galaxy can't buy a championship :)

Also, the gate doesn't serve as a league cap in the championship because it varies from team to team. The point of a cap is to have a uniform limit across all teams to ensure you can't just buy a championship.

There are other ways to ensure that teams can't buy Championships other that overly restrictive salary caps though.

Oblio2
03-25-2009, 11:58 AM
Also, the better players and prospects on teams like Charlton and Southampton are likely to be picked up by other Championship (or even Premiership) teams. Realistically off their rosters a team like TFC may have an outside shot a players like Svetoslav Todorov, Jonathan Fortune, Michael Svensson, Stern John or if we were really lucky Grzegorz Rasiak.


Rasiak is shit.
As a Spurs fan I know...this lump of Monkey turd was a waste of space

Whoop
03-25-2009, 12:00 PM
This guy might be promising.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yassin_Moutaouakil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yassin_Moutaouakil)

Yohan
03-25-2009, 12:26 PM
This guy might be promising.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yassin_Moutaouakil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yassin_Moutaouakil)
probably will end up going back to France

scooter
03-25-2009, 12:38 PM
whoever it is and i am sure mo is looking we are not going to know about it until the deal is done and player at bmo field

after the leak on vitti almost screwed the deal and for sure cost us more than mo wanted to spend no news will be forth comming from tfc

but by all means enjoy your speculation

flatpicker
03-25-2009, 01:09 PM
Yep, no surprise there, Rocker thinks the salary cap is brilliant.

It also means that small teams with no fans, and a poor gate can win the double.

Enjoy your fat free ice cream and .5% beer, mate.


Is it possible to think the salary cap is a good thing, yet also think we would be better off if it was much higher?

Avoiding outrageous spending is good, in my books.
But giving financially stable and well supported clubs the room to bring in quality players is also good.

Boost the Cap!

ACSertL
03-25-2009, 02:01 PM
I am not totally convinced that without a salary cap a team like LA would even care to 'buy' a championship.

Dub Narcotic
03-25-2009, 04:21 PM
I think this idea that MLS is doing great while all other leagues are suffering is a rank fantasy, based solely on its recent success in getting a handful of rich people to pay expansion fees.

The growth in the number of teams is nice, don't get me wrong, but anyone who followed the NASL knows that this doesn't really matter in the end. "Success" is only about attendance figures and TV ratings. And in this respect the league is taking steps backwards, not forwards. It has beautiful new stadiums in a majority of its markets, but attendance in existing markets is flat or down when true year-to-year comparisons are applied.

The only objective conclusion is that the salary cap is holding down both costs and revenues. TV remains a big zero for the league as a whole, and this is a direct consequence of the cap. TV needs stars.

As a business strategy, the salary cap is a big question mark.

As a fan, I hate it.

I'm agnostic on the salary cap, but compare MLS to the other big leagues: MLS is expanding, the others are in danger of contracting, even the NFL is laying off workers, etc.. Bill Simmons mentioned that it's possible up to 14 NHL teams are in danger of folding next year. If the MLS has near-flat attendence in a brutal recession, they are doing well.

ensco
03-25-2009, 05:23 PM
I'm agnostic on the salary cap, but compare MLS to the other big leagues: MLS is expanding, the others are in danger of contracting, even the NFL is laying off workers, etc.. Bill Simmons mentioned that it's possible up to 14 NHL teams are in danger of folding next year. If the MLS has near-flat attendence in a brutal recession, they are doing well.

No, MLS are doing about the same as the other leagues. Any realistic assessment of the paying customer counts for Chicago, Dallas, KC, Columbus, New England, Colorado and Chivas would tell you that a whole bunch of MLS teams are doing very poorly.

As to who will fold when, we'll see.

rocker
03-25-2009, 05:30 PM
Yep, no surprise there, Rocker thinks the salary cap is brilliant.

It also means that small teams with no fans, and a poor gate can win the double.

Enjoy your fat free ice cream and .5% beer, mate.

A capless league is what the USL has, and they aren't even close to MLS in stature from top to bottom... Joey Saputo hates caps... that's sure helped him buy success while his opponents either leave to a better league or go bankrupt.

Your preference is survival of the fittest? America doesn't have enough markets to do that without failure. That's the whole point of MLS's structure.

rocker
03-25-2009, 05:40 PM
I am not totally convinced that without a salary cap a team like LA would even care to 'buy' a championship.

I see no evidence the Galaxy wouldn't try to buy a championship. They've already tried and failed. Just in a non-cap league, they'd correct their mistakes by spending even more. This is the Yankees m.o.

They also have revenue streams far greater than anything TFC can afford, let alone what Houston could afford.

I prefer to see games decided on good, real competition with smart coaches, good scouting, academy programs etc. Not buying success, as teams like Man U and Chelsea do.

TheresOnlyOneDeGuzman
03-26-2009, 12:31 PM
probably going a little off topic here but i dont know where to post it.. does anyone else see a chance of us signing david edgar? he probably wont be involved with newcastle anymore this season since they are in a relegation battle and if they do get relegated i still dont see him playing for them cuz theyll have too much to lose by playing young, inexperienced players in the championship. I think mo should definately start looking at trying to sign him wed be the best mls team with him plus wed have a good group of ontarians? has anyone heard/seen him say anything about tfc or bmo field? :noidea::canada:

ensco
03-26-2009, 12:34 PM
Edgar has value in Europe that far exceeds his value in MLS. He'll won't play here until 2016.

If you could figure something out around MLS' wonky loan rules (which I doubt), maybe he'd come on loan for a summer. If we played on grass. Maybe.

ACSertL
03-26-2009, 12:50 PM
I see no evidence the Galaxy wouldn't try to buy a championship. They've already tried and failed. Just in a non-cap league, they'd correct their mistakes by spending even more. This is the Yankees m.o.

They also have revenue streams far greater than anything TFC can afford, let alone what Houston could afford.

I prefer to see games decided on good, real competition with smart coaches, good scouting, academy programs etc. Not buying success, as teams like Man U and Chelsea do.

Perhaps. I guess success might foster some growth in footy in LA, but I still think the people there would watch a Kings playoff run over some Galaxy regular season games. I could be wrong though.