Seattle V New York

[sully]

I say Shite Bull get one back..it'll be close towards the end but Seattle will hold out for the win.

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

angle touch is horrid tonight

[Inklink]

Nice save nice volley

[Antoshka]

PUT IT IN!!! (thats what she said)

[FCBarcelona]

NY is coming on now

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

sounders running around now

[RealG-TFC]

Good strike from Rojas.

[zeelaw]

word

[Inklink]

What a move from Montero

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

This MOntero...kid how long before he hits europe?

[ThunderTundra]

Seattle is going to be a tough team if they stay fit

[ginkster88]

montero is srrrrrrrryusly good.

[TFC07]

Montero is the real deal!

[jwfm1985]

Does Seattle have a purchase option on his loan deal?

[pekduck]

what a goal... montero with a steal and a goal..

[ThunderTundra]

wow Montero is unreal

[zeelaw]

ummm.. seattle MLS champs.... wat a finish taht was!

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

jeeeezus.....who is this kid

[Phil]

unreal, good for seattle

[RealG-TFC]

Montero is such a camwhore.

[FCBarcelona]

3-0

oh yes!!!!!

[dantdot]

facccckiiiing shiiiat I knew I should have picked Montero for fantasy

[TFC07]

New York backline is awful!!!!

[Antoshka]

woooooooow

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

I gurantee..he's not in this league next season

[StandUpIfYouHateChelsea]

Whooo Callleddd It Yeaehhhhhh Monteroooo A New Asssholleeee

[TFC07]

facccckiiiing shiiiat I knew I should have picked Montero for fantasy

Same here....hahahaha

[sully]

can the Shite be anymore Shite!

[Redpunkfiddle]

Ok, this was fine for a bit, but fack this guys...

Simply shite.

[mclaren]

as much as I congratulate Seattle, New York is horrendous tonight.

[Razcle]

Wow.....Red Bulls are SHITEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[brad]

If Monetero continues like this, he won't be in the this league by the time playoffs come around...

[jwfm1985]

he made Cepero his bitch

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

after seeing this back 4......i have hope in toronto

[BakaGaijin]

Fuck......Montero is good.

What a pick up.

Keller was a great pick up too.

[ginkster88]

Vitti?

[zeelaw]

This Montero is frightening

[Pigfynn]

This fucking guy is good gents. I have to say I'm worried about the 4th

[mclaren]

how did San Jose do in their first game?

[Nuvinho]

I picked Montero in all the MLS fantasy pools. I figured this kid was gonna be good, didn't realize that the NYRB back 4 would make him look great!!

[rocker]

how did San Jose do in their first game?

lost 2-0 to LA.

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh the red bulls are SHITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sully]

Vitti?

Montero scored 43 goals in 60 odd games in Columbia...I don't think Vitti compares to that?

[Daveisonfire]

They are singing ole

[jwfm1985]

how did Seattle get this kid over Real Betis?? He will be good for the league, even if only here for a year

[TFC07]

how did San Jose do in their first game?

They lost their first game.

LOL @ ESPN announcers mentioning Toronto goal scoring problems in their first year.

[Phil]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/HollyHobbit/redbullshite.jpg

[Nuvinho]

can we stop Montero from entering the Country on the 4th??

[TFC07]

They are singing ole

Just like Montreal fans.

[rocker]

Juan Pablo is having an awful game. This is the worst I've seen him.

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

Something..tells me MOntero...wont dance like this at BMO!!....when Serioux steps on his ankles

[brad]

Something..tells me MOntero...wont dance like this at BMO!!....when Serioux steps on his ankles

It's Harmse that I'm worried about...

[RicoSuave44]

aww i feel sorry for goldy hes having such a poor night

[Nuvinho]

Something..tells me MOntero...wont dance like this at BMO!!....when Serioux steps on his ankles

that brings up a good point.....not about Serioux stepping on his ankle....but how does Montero play against a physical back 4.

[TFC07]

Something..tells me MOntero...wont dance like this at BMO!!....when Serioux steps on his ankles

Agreed.

[Phil]

The dig at Toronto about the first goal is a bit nasty, once again I am reminded of why I dislike ESPN.

[Sab0tage]

The noise from Seattle's supporters section isn't exactly that impressive. It's just a massive wall of yelling and random noise with the occasional chant that makes it through.

[mclaren]

can we stop Montero from entering the Country on the 4th??

i'd like to see how he does against a defence without gaping holes in the middle - should do well against us then ;)

[Redpunkfiddle]

We are Seattle's first road game.

[Banjax]

http://i44.tinypic.com/2d7c6kz.png

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

the one that got away...TM

[ginkster88]

We are Seattle's first road game.

Awesome.

[TOBOR !]

Seattle is playing for each other while NY is not - and it shows. Richards could have laid the ball off there, but tries to beat a third palyer in the box. Angel has looked decent, but has made poor decisions at times. It's gonna be a long year for RBNY

[mclaren]

this is just total dominance - new york didn't show up

[ginkster88]

They'll be sleepless in Seattle tonight.


edit: I hate myself.

[rocker]

gee, we don't get to play the red bulls until June??? that's too bad

[Redpunkfiddle]

What's that banner say.... Broughton?

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

cant wait till..SAT

[ua-kozak_TFC]

Hate to stirr shit... but gotta say it. if somebody else hasn't "5 year plan"??? I thought being good in year one was impossible....
- don;t give me the canadian roster restriction crap....

Although i am more that satisfied with MO's job thus far THIS year. This seatle win kinda sticks it to the Mo lovers..

[rocker]

Hate to stirr shit... but gotta say it. if somebody else hasn't "5 year plan"??? I thought being good in year one was impossible....
- don;t give me the canadian roster restriction crap....

1 game dude... it's been 1 game. :)

i love it when people base opinions on 1 game.

[TFC07]

Hate to stirr shit... but gotta say it. if somebody else hasn't "5 year plan"??? I thought being good in year one was impossible....
- don;t give me the canadian roster restriction crap....

I was just thinking about that, but then again, this is only 1 game. Let's wait until the season is over before we start talking about this topic.

[mclaren]

come on down, the price is right!

[Phil]

1 game dude... it's been 1 game. :)

i love it when people base opinions on 1 game.

Thank you for that :D

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

how many current players ...were on the USl side for seattle?

[FCBarcelona]

Well was Seattle that good ? or wus NY that bad ? I think NY were that bad, Seattle better enjoy this night cos they could easly lose the next 5 or 6.
Nice too see NY one game behind us.

[rocker]

how many current players ...were on the USl side for seattle?

2? I'd have to check.

[zeelaw]

Man! Seattle look frightening!

[TFC07]

Firecrackers?!

[GBV]

great result...great crowd...great for the league.
(not that it'll make many highlight shows, what, with march madness starting today. sigh.)

[ThunderTundra]

That was one of the most dominating performances I have ever seen from an MLS squad

[Sonny Cheeba]

well done Seattle.

[Lucky Strike]

One hell of a game, good atmosphere, hope they can keep it up, not a huge fan of the band but it could be worse. Montero is indeed a beast like I thought he would be, picked up huge fantasy points because of him. Seattle got the win to addict their fans, they should be okay. Now looking forward to TFC!!!

[rocker]

Well was Seattle that good ? or wus NY that bad ? I think NY were that bad, Seattle better enjoy this night cos they could easly lose the next 5 or 6.
Nice too see NY one game behind us.

I think Seattle played well. But New York made it easy on them. NY was pathetically bad. Unforced errors all over the place... even Angel was making telegraphed passes (one in the last 15 minutes was just totally unlike him).

Now Seattle is known. The scouting reports will be out immediately. They'll have to respond.

[Sonny Cheeba]

Firecrackers?!

it's an NFL stadium. what do you expect? rainbows?

[FCBarcelona]

2 more sleeps until TFC get going ,

VAMOS TFC

GOOD NITE

[Damien]

Is it that Seattle is good or the red bulls are honestly shite?

[brad]

Well was Seattle that good ? or wus NY that bad ? I think NY were that bad, Seattle better enjoy this night cos they could easly lose the next 5 or 6.
Nice too see NY one game behind us.

It's hard to say. New York were absolutely dreadful which makes it hard to say how good Seattle actually were.

[jloome]

Let's not overstate this one. New York with Celades in the lineup will be a lot tougher than Pietravallo, who was a sieve last year and is again. Ditto Andy Boyens, as we well know.

Montero is obviously the real deal. But if Carver's half the coach I think he is, he's gonna have Robbo glued to the kid's ass like stucco for every second of the game.

[rocker]

That was one of the most dominating performances I have ever seen from an MLS squad

ya, sorta like that game where TFC beat Dallas 4-0 at home.

[kdzb]

Boy Oh Boy...Montero is a beast. And he is just 21.
Good Job Sigi for finding a player like Montero

[nimamalek]

as bad as the NY defense is, Montero has a solid finish

[RealG-TFC]

I am impressed with Rojas on the Dead Bulls.

[Shway]

New York's defence looks like like they were missing the 3 players Alfredo Pacheco, and Carlos Johnson...or was he playing

Kandji looks likes a 100x worse adebayor

[Inklink]

Congrats Seattle. One hell of a team game, great goal scoring, great 'keeping. The Red Fools were awful, but that's not to say the Sounders didn't play well. They played very well.

If Seattle and Toronto have been the latest NEW city expansions, then with Vancouver and Portland coming up, the future for the MLS looks bright :) .

[tfcleeds]

The Red Bulls are SHITE!

Ha, Ha! Don't get me wrong, part of me wants expansion teams to suffer like we did, but all I care about is getting to the playoffs this year. The Dead Bulls can screw themselves. HA HA!

[jloome]

New York's defence looks like like they were missing the 3 players Alfredo Pacheco, and Carlos Johnson...or was he playing

Kandji looks likes a 100x worse adebayor

He was all right. He didn't get much help; New York's movement, energy, everything....terrible. The Red Bulls truly are shite.

[BRed]

Guys stop hugging MOntero's nuts, the guy is slow. He has good control with the ball but he's not freightning like that...

[RealG-TFC]

Guys stop hugging MOntero's nuts, the guy is slow. He has good control with the ball but he's not freightning like that...

We have the mighty DERO on our side!!

[SoccMan]

The crowd was great, a good portion of the crowd stood for most of the game. Did you notice that most of the fans stayed until the end of the game, unlike here in Toronto where even when we are winning a great many people are heading to the exit with so much time left in the game. Seattle is the real deal they are not going to be your typical expansion team. Also, someone please remind me once again why we let Tyrone Marshal go, and who will be replacing him in this Saturdays game, Harmse and Velez, God help us.

[TFC07]

it's an NFL stadium. what do you expect? rainbows?

I was expecting couple of smoke bombs going off instead of firecrackers.

[TFC07]

Is it that Seattle is good or the red bulls are honestly shite?

According to New York fans, they were missing 5 of their starters.

[mclaren]

The crowd was great, a good portion of the crowd stood for most of the game. Did you notice that most of the fans stayed until the end of the game, unlike here in Toronto where even when we are winning a great many people are heading to the exit with so much time left in the game. Seattle is the real deal they are not going to be your typical expansion team. Also, someone please remind me once again why we let Tyrone Marshal go, and who will be replacing him in this Saturdays game, Harmse and Velez, God help us.

Tyrone Marshal is not a good central defender, one game isn't going to change that. Having said that, we could do with him now because we haven't replaced him with someone more solid.

[ua-kozak_TFC]

1 game dude... it's been 1 game. :)

i love it when people base opinions on 1 game.
hahaha.... your subjectivity/bias is laughable. I mean I don;t think we ever played this good in first season... lets not even talk about the result or the fact that we had the longest goal draught in the hystory of MLS

ALL this show that you CAN put a DECENT team from year one...

Something tells me that if TFC doesn;t improove substantially from last year and make the play offs.. Anselmi and MLSE won;t buy MO's empty words anymore when december comes....

[TFC07]

hahaha.... your subjectivity/bias is laughable. I mean I don;t think we ever played this good in first season... lets not even talk about the result or the fact that we had the longest goal draught in the hystory of MLS

ALL this show that you CAN put a DECENT team from year one...

Something tells me that if TFC doesn;t improove substantially from last year and make the play offs.. Anselmi and MLSE won;t buy MO's empty words anymore when december comes....

+1

I believe Mo is on last year of his contract. So no playoffs and CONCACAF champions league = bye bye to Mo.

[mclaren]

one thing by the way - anyone for taking a big following to Seattle?? :)

[DigzTFC!]

NYRB had very few people playing in their natural positions.....it always seems like Osorio is putting together a make-shift team. Seattle totally outclassed them.

Here's why they're not a normal expansion franchise:
1) Had an existing scouting system - had years to prepare *** HUGE ASSET
2) Didn't have to worry about construction
3) Doesn't have to set up a development program *** I think
4) Had existing fan base

All the headaches of a brand new club are easier when you're a USL team moving up. I expect Vancouver and Portland to be the same way. I think Garber will use this model of taking existing USL franchises because if you do, you're going to get this instant adoption of MLS and passionate crowds. Something MLS lacks

[cy43]

Let's not overstate this one. New York with Celades in the lineup will be a lot tougher than Pietravallo, who was a sieve last year and is again. Ditto Andy Boyens, as we well know.

Montero is obviously the real deal. But if Carver's half the coach I think he is, he's gonna have Robbo glued to the kid's ass like stucco for every second of the game.

he better... Robbo is the General... Shut this kid down.

[gtaguy]

i said if before yet im still defending myself.. Montero is a fenom and is going to be something else in this league.. TFC watch this kid becuase he can seriously cause damage when given an opportunity..

[woolly]

I unno if the Red Bulls are more shite than we say they are, but i think Seattle is a much better first year team than we were.

[loconet]

Montero this Montero that. Calm down people It's just one game. Yah, he plays the ball well and has shown very cold blood during finishing (made the keeper look stupid in the 2nd one). He's good but we'll see if he can sustain that during the season. I'm glad more great young talent is coming in though.

Having said that, great win by seattle.

Oh, and did you guys notice how they keep the ball down? Most passes were on the ground where control is easier! What a concept!

It won't be an easy home opener for us.

[Markham_RPB]

I unno if the Red Bulls are more shite than we say they are, but i think Seattle is a much better first year team than we were.


Again this is simply made after 1 game , so we dont exactly know how the whole season will pan out.

We do know they had a great first game and will see what the future has for them !

[Pachuco]

Let's not overstate this one. New York with Celades in the lineup will be a lot tougher than Pietravallo, who was a sieve last year and is again. Ditto Andy Boyens, as we well know.

Montero is obviously the real deal. But if Carver's half the coach I think he is, he's gonna have Robbo glued to the kid's ass like stucco for every second of the game.

Carver will never be half the coach Osorio is. And by your own account, Osorio knew exactly what to do with Montero. Well, now I can laugh at that statement. I remember hearing something about the only thing he knows how to do is turn and shoot?

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

Carver will never be half the coach Osorio is. And by your own account, Osorio knew exactly what to do with Montero. Well, now I can laugh at that statement. I remember hearing something about the only thing he knows how to do is turn and shoot?


wow that hate on for the BOYS in RED......you'd think it was us that lost 3-0 to Seattle!!


:drinking:

[DinamoTFC]

Match Information

Stadium: Qwest Field, Seattle
Attendance: 32,523
Match Time: 21:00 ET
Official(s): Jair Marrufo (Referee)


soccernet.com

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

I like the HEADER on MLS.NET!


SPEACHLESS IN SEATTLE!

[MisterMacphisto]

I'll let Seattle have their night, but honestly, I wasn't that impressed. I thought NYRB's were complete and utter shit.

I bet RSL wins the next game against them 2-1 and we beat them at the opener 3-1. Print it and stick in on your fridge.

Oh, and the Seattle "Sound Wave" band that "Sits in proximity to the supports to lead them" and also takes them on their March ritual is really gay.

I can't wait till we meet the snot stains at BMO.

Fuck this little love fest over Seattle. :mad:;)

[Pachuco]

wow that hate on for the BOYS in RED......you'd think it was us that lost 3-0 to Seattle!!


:drinking:

really, I said I hate the boys in red? I've said nothing different then I said since last year. Carver is a bad coach. I still love my TFC. Sorry that you can't differenciate between the two.

[gtaguy]

Montero this Montero that. Calm down people It's just one game. Yah, he plays the ball well and has shown very cold blood during finishing (made the keeper look stupid in the 2nd one). He's good but we'll see if he can sustain that during the season. I'm glad more great young talent is coming in though.

Having said that, great win by seattle.

Oh, and did you guys notice how they keep the ball down? Most passes were on the ground where control is easier! What a concept!

It won't be an easy home opener for us.

we can't take seattle for granted. not for one second.
i hope that we have our best defense up against him that day. yet know that hes a worm and can wiggle his way into our defence.. give him 20 to 25 feet and your a dead man..Osorio tried to contain him tonite and couldn't do it.
i don't think that seattle needs lundberg but if hes hitting strike right at montero they could be a leathal combination..
Toronto seriously needs that center back

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

really, I said I hate the boys in red? I've said nothing different then I said since last year. Carver is a bad coach. I still love my TFC. Sorry that you can't differenciate between the two.

I guess we'll find out soon enough....LAst season...He came in with nothing.....Sir ALEX...wouldnt of made the playoffs with that team!!...

Let the season ahead...be the Judge!

[Pachuco]

I guess we'll find out soon enough....LAst season...He came in with nothing.....Sir ALEX...wouldnt of made the playoffs with that team!!...

Let the season ahead...be the Judge!

ammm...nope. TFC playing better this year may have nothing to do with the coach. If it does, I will be the first one to concede. However, in my opinion a good coach shows his true colors with a shit team. Oh, and on paper, we were no worst then New York last year, look how far they got?

[Daveisonfire]

Maybe this is just their "4-0 over Dallas" game ...

[RPB_RED_NATION_RPB]

ammm...nope. TFC playing better this year may have nothing to do with the coach. If it does, I will be the first one to concede. However, in my opinion a good coach shows his true colors with a shit team. Oh, and on paper, we were no worst then New York last year, look how far they got?





Dont get me Wrong..that comes along...with a hell of a season...PLayoffs...and a legitimate run at the MLS CUP!:hump:


I coiuld go on...but im not gona feed into another...6months of Carver Bashing...

See you on Sat!

[Pachuco]

Dont get me Wrong..that comes along...with a hell of a season...PLayoffs...and a legitimate run at the MLS CUP!:hump:


I coiuld go on...but im not gona feed into another...6months of Carver Bashing...

See you on Sat!

Personally I didn't mean to turn this into a bash Carver thread. Because I really hope he proves me wrong this year. I myself can't wait for saturday.

[Ossington Mental Youth]

Montero is definitely a beast, hes tenacious as hell and has a sense of the game that a ton of 21 year olds dont in this league, that being said im curious to see him against a better defense (New Yorks is obviously shit, i dont think that even with the missing players they would have made a difference having watched some of the game). I dont think that Seattles backline is as solid as everyone thinks, i also dont think that Seattle ran possession, they may have had a slight majority but they didnt dominate and it still looked like scrappy MLS play to me. New York just looked straight up bad.

[jloome]

Carver will never be half the coach Osorio is. And by your own account, Osorio knew exactly what to do with Montero. Well, now I can laugh at that statement. I remember hearing something about the only thing he knows how to do is turn and shoot?

Fuck off, troll.

I never stated -- ever -- that Osorio "knew exactly what to do with Montero." I pointed out a story on Soccer By Ives in which Osorio said he knew how to handle him.

Honestly, we argued once on a fucking thread three weeks ago and you're still acting like a pussy about it. You're now on my ignore list, so don't expect any more responses. Take it to someone whom you can fool with your obvious turn-of-phrase, debating panache and keen sense of observation.

Do you ever add anything aside from this kind of horseshit?

[VPjr]

1st off, congrats to Seattle and their supporters. You won't find me taking a gulp of Haterade...I'm happy to see a club come into the league and up the ante. TFC supporters need a push, to be frank. Now we have something to prove.

As for the game, well, i think there are clearly some merits to clubs making the jump from USL to MLS. I saw a Sounders side that actually looked relatively organized and cohesive in its first game (having a quality manager helps with the organization obviously). NYRB was garbage, no doubt, but they got beat by a team that is simply better at more positions on the field. For NYRB's sake, they really had better be suffering from major injury woes or its gonna be a LONG season

Seattle will be a good 1st year team. In a weak Western Conference, they might be good enough to sneak into the playoffs. They've got good talent up front (Montero is obviously going to be the front runner for rookie of the year, although to call him a rookie is patently unfair because he's been pro for many years) and some quality in midfield. They'll probably struggle a bit on D but they were smart enough to bring in a top quality keeper (and, yes, Keller is the best US keeper of all time) to help clean up some of their defensive screwups.

Glad to see the season back up and running for another season.

Let's hope our manager has a good game plan ready to deal with that itty bitty pitch on Saturday. I'd like to see us kick of the season with a result, for once.

[StandUpIfYouHateChelsea]

Montero this Montero that.

well its the fact that everyone is putting him down for being from Colombia , if he was incoming from Scotland everyone would love him here. He tore it up in Colombia and he will tear it up here . And Colombia is the 2nd best league in South America after argentina , a club from there even won the club world cup not too long ago.... it angers me to see people on here put down South America and trash talk them ..... for what? they have been doing this A LOT longer than us ...... and why do we love Europe soo much ffs were Canadian. I bet if this was an Irish guy none had heard of , and he was touted as being ok , NO ONE would doubt his ability. So now ill sit back, relax and watch Montero Rip this league a new one , and ill quite enjoy it ...... That being said hopefully his agent fucks him over again and he misses the home opener , or it quite possibly may be a scoring affair , lets see who can score the most goals!:canada:

[Shakes McQueen]

well its the fact that everyone is putting him down for being from Colombia , if he was incoming from Scotland everyone would love him here. He tore it up in Colombia and he will tear it up here . And Colombia is the 2nd best league in South America after argentina , a club from there even won the club world cup not too long ago.... it angers me to see people on here put down South America and trash talk them ..... for what? they have been doing this A LOT longer than us ...... and why do we love Europe soo much ffs were Canadian. I bet if this was an Irish guy none had heard of , and he was touted as being ok , NO ONE would doubt his ability. So now ill sit back, relax and watch Montero Rip this league a new one , and ill quite enjoy it ...... That being said hopefully his agent fucks him over again and he misses the home opener , or it quite possibly may be a scoring affair , lets see who can score the most goals!:canada:

Since when do people on this board only like Europeans?

Montero had a good game. Seattle are now officially like 4% of the way into their inaugural season, with a win against a team that was playing horribly - especially their defense - and running on the adrenaline high of playing their inaugural home game in front of a loud, sell-out crowd.

I don't get why this has suddenly turned into disdain and depression about our own season. Every team in this league has strengths and weaknesses, and we haven't played a single game yet.

Seattle clearly has a pretty fantastic striker core. We likely have the best, deepest midfield in the entire league, front to back. Teams like Columbus have good defenders.

As for Osorio, the guy looked like he was on the verge of being canned last season, before some of their late acquisitions managed to propel them just far enough to get into the playoffs, and get a couple of upset wins.

But seriously, lets look at this game with some context for a minute. Seattle's secong goal should have been saved by Cepero (the guy got nutmegged from about 15 yards away). Seattle's third goal was due to a breakaway, caused by piss-poor defending. They absolutely deserved the win, however.

This forum is going to be a pain in the ass all season, if people go into vocal "the sky is falling" mode right away.

For tonight, I'm just happy for Seattle. Another successful franchise launch, and a great night for the people that were there. Beyond that, we will see where they are in October. This was one game.

And as Ives pointed out on his match-night blog, RBNY were missing a handful of players from their lineup. This is likely the last time we will see this starting XI all season. Though I certainly hope they trot these sorry sods out against us both times this season. :D

- Scott

[sidvan]

Seattle looked good against an overmatched NYRB team. Nice for them to have their MLS debut at home instead of on the road. Opening day doesn't make the season, but it can fuel expectations. Congrats to the Sounders. Don't get used to it. It is a long season.

Open question - does Seattle have any NT players of any kind or age group on their squad? (Marshall excepted)

[dannyd]

Tyrone Marshal is not a good central defender, one game isn't going to change that. Having said that, we could do with him now because we haven't replaced him with someone more solid.

I would take Marshall back anyday. IMO he's one of the best CB's in the league, I've said this from day 1. Sigi Schmidt thinks the same and he's won the double + created a strong expansion team. Do you think you're a better judge of talent than Schmidt?

[backbeat]

geez, i didn't know it was our first game of the season :noidea:.......and a 3 nil loss at that!! :rolleyes:

hey, let's fire everyone :hump:

[loconet]

well its the fact that everyone is putting him down for being from Colombia , if he was incoming from Scotland everyone would love him here. He tore it up in Colombia and he will tear it up here . And Colombia is the 2nd best league in South America after argentina , a club from there even won the club world cup not too long ago.... it angers me to see people on here put down South America and trash talk them ..... for what? they have been doing this A LOT longer than us ...... and why do we love Europe soo much ffs were Canadian. I bet if this was an Irish guy none had heard of , and he was touted as being ok , NO ONE would doubt his ability. So now ill sit back, relax and watch Montero Rip this league a new one , and ill quite enjoy it ...... That being said hopefully his agent fucks him over again and he misses the home opener , or it quite possibly may be a scoring affair , lets see who can score the most goals!:canada:

hehe. you are definitely preaching to the choir here. I agree with the spirit of your post though, It is very silly to look down at a player because he doesn't come from a European league. Having said that, I think I'll wait longer until I declare this kid the next Asprilla.

[David_Oliveira]

Highlights from last night taken from the MLS channel on youtube. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCZigiXFnbU)

Anyone else scared of how good Montero and crew look up front? This will not be an easy team to defend for TFC. Are defense is shaky at best and with that guy playing like that... Serioux better "welcome him to the MLS" ;)

[nobodybeatsthewiz]

- the crowd was impressive
- the team even moreso
- jp dellacamera's colour commentary man was HORRENDOUS. who is talking during goal(s)?!
- NY's back 4 suck
- keller has not lost a touch
- the red bulls ARE shite

[Nodoubtguy]

If Montero is as good as he seems, how long does he last in this league???

[Yohan]

If Montero is as good as he seems, how long does he last in this league???
He's only on loan... Anyone know if his loan is full season or is there a clause where he can leave on Euro summer transfer window?

[David_Oliveira]

If Montero is as good as he seems, how long does he last in this league???

I'm going to say a year-two at max.

[Nodoubtguy]

He's only on loan... Anyone know if his loan is full season or is there a clause where he can leave on Euro summer transfer window?


I'm going to say a year-two at max.


Just saw the loan thing....I forgot about that. I'd say he's gone after this season if he blows the doors off the league.....

[olegunnar]

We looked better than Seattle when we beat better teams in Chicago (3-1) and Dallas (4-0) in our record breaking, for sucking so hard, first year.

Good for Seattle, they had a great start, it looks like they're more like us and less like the whole Western Conference Soccer mom support style teams, but lets not crown them yet.

[ExiledRed]

I'm getting tired of the apologists.

"we cant judge from one game" - "lets see how they play in the cold" - "NYRB were shit" - "we didnt get to start at home"

Seattle have done an all round stellar job, and have just improved this league exponentially.

They scare me.

[olegunnar]

I'm getting tired of the apologists.

"we cant judge from one game" - "lets see how they play in the cold" - "NYRB were shit" - "we didnt get to start at home"

Seattle have done an all round stellar job, and have just improved this league exponentially.

They scare me.

If you want to crown them, then crown their ass

m_N1OjGhIFc

[Pachuco]

I posted my opinion in the other thread, but this one seems more active so reposting here

All I'm reading here are excuses for why Seattle won. The first team we put out in Game 1 of our first season wouldn't have beat a 7 year old girls scout soccer team.

Why some of you can't just admit that they have done well in selecting their team is beyond me. Why some of you can't admit that a player who scored 9 goals in 9 Preseason games, PLUS 2 goals and 1 beatifull assist in his first MLS game ever is a great prospect is beyond me.

You are all way to biased to see what actually happened last night. Seattle was defending from the midfield down. They were all over them, NEVER allowed Angel to turn and breaking up passess all over the place. THAT'S why they won, not because NY were shite. THEY MADE NY LOOK LIKE SHIT. They deserve credit. They are in the west and they did us alot of good by beating an east coast team, so what the hell is the beef? I know, you hate to admit that an expansion team can actually be put together with quality, simply because Toronto couldn't do it their first 2 years. I for one, am happy they are in this league and would like to see them do well.

[Hooligan69]

An expansion club that scores goals and wins games. What a concept.

[flatpicker]

I just watched the highlights...

wow... great atmosphere there! And that stadium actually looks like a nice place to watch footie!

I don't know how the whole game looked, but from the highlights, it looked exciting and Seattle was very impressive.
I don't know if they will have a good year or not... but I certainly give credit to their management for creating a great product.
There was a lot of green in that crowd! Their marketing seems to have done very well.
I think TFC has really built the mold for new clubs to work by and be successful.

[pank]

I watched pretty much the whole game last game. The atmosphere looked great at Qwest Field-a lot of green and blue and everybody seemed to be dressed in Sounders merchandise. There also appeared to be very few empty seats-I guess the scalper situation isn't that bad out there or even the scalpers decided to attend the first game.

Seattle played very well. Montero was great and I thought Brad Evans and Le Toux played good as well. Kasey Keller was a rock back there-made me wonder what it would be like if TFC had been able to sign Craig Forrest had he been coming back from Europe when we started.

All in all, a great game for the league to showcase itself and a great win for Seattle's fans. It should be a good one at BMO on April 4th.

[ExiledRed]

I posted my opinion in the other thread, but this one seems more active so reposting here

All I'm reading here are excuses for why Seattle won. The first team we put out in Game 1 of our first season wouldn't have beat a 7 year old girls scout soccer team.

Why some of you can't just admit that they have done well in selecting their team is beyond me. Why some of you can't admit that a player who scored 9 goals in 9 Preseason games, PLUS 2 goals and 1 beatifull assist in his first MLS game ever is a great prospect is beyond me.

You are all way to biased to see what actually happened last night. Seattle was defending from the midfield down. They were all over them, NEVER allowed Angel to turn and breaking up passess all over the place. THAT'S why they won, not because NY were shite. THEY MADE NY LOOK LIKE SHIT. They deserve credit. They are in the west and they did us alot of good by beating an east coast team, so what the hell is the beef? I know, you hate to admit that an expansion team can actually be put together with quality, simply because Toronto couldn't do it their first 2 years. I for one, am happy they are in this league and would like to see them do well.

I dont agree with much you say, but you're bang on.

In season one the excuse was "We're an expansion team, aspirations of success are immature and unrealistic"

In season two it was "We're a second year team, playoffs aren't for us"

In season three it's "Do you think we might make 8th place? Gee wouldnt that be great"

I said from the start that our biggest problem was a lack of ambition, and acceptance of a poor product. Seattle doesn't have that problem and they are only in their first game. I will bet anybody on here $20.00 they will reach the playoffs in 6th or higher.

[Pachuco]

I dont agree with much you say, but you're bang on.

In season one the excuse was "We're an expansion team, aspirations of success are immature and unrealistic"

In season two it was "We're a second year team, playoffs aren't for us"

In season three it's "Do you think we might make 8th place? Gee wouldnt that be great"

I said from the start that our biggest problem was a lack of ambition, and acceptance of a poor product. Seattle doesn't have that problem and they are only in their first game. I will bet anybody on here $20.00 they will reach the playoffs in 6th or higher.

The other argument I hear quite a lot as well (specially when San Jose was doing well last year) was that you have to mortgage your future in order for an expansion team to be succesfull their first year. I think Seattle has proved that you can go out, put a good team together and still have some really good prospects.

[trane]

I dont agree with much you say, but you're bang on.

In season one the excuse was "We're an expansion team, aspirations of success are immature and unrealistic"

In season two it was "We're a second year team, playoffs aren't for us"

In season three it's "Do you think we might make 8th place? Gee wouldnt that be great"

I said from the start that our biggest problem was a lack of ambition, and acceptance of a poor product. Seattle doesn't have that problem and they are only in their first game. I will bet anybody on here $20.00 they will reach the playoffs in 6th or higher.

Completley agree. I hope they are not given the full season this time around, if we are seeing the same shit ten games in the trigger has to be pulled. However, lets see what happens.

[MisterMacphisto]

Damn right I'm biased. :)

We'll see how the next 3 games play out.

[trane]

I posted my opinion in the other thread, but this one seems more active so reposting here

All I'm reading here are excuses for why Seattle won. The first team we put out in Game 1 of our first season wouldn't have beat a 7 year old girls scout soccer team.

Why some of you can't just admit that they have done well in selecting their team is beyond me. Why some of you can't admit that a player who scored 9 goals in 9 Preseason games, PLUS 2 goals and 1 beatifull assist in his first MLS game ever is a great prospect is beyond me.

You are all way to biased to see what actually happened last night. Seattle was defending from the midfield down. They were all over them, NEVER allowed Angel to turn and breaking up passess all over the place. THAT'S why they won, not because NY were shite. THEY MADE NY LOOK LIKE SHIT. They deserve credit. They are in the west and they did us alot of good by beating an east coast team, so what the hell is the beef? I know, you hate to admit that an expansion team can actually be put together with quality, simply because Toronto couldn't do it their first 2 years. I for one, am happy they are in this league and would like to see them do well.

I have been raveing about the necessity to do this for two years. If you do this to MLS team they tend not to have the creativity to brake a team down. What they can do is run, and if you allow them to run free into space toward goal, unless you have Vidic-Chiellini back there they will score. On the occasions we have done that, we have won. But those times have been too few for me.

[mclaren]

I would take Marshall back anyday. IMO he's one of the best CB's in the league, I've said this from day 1. Sigi Schmidt thinks the same and he's won the double + created a strong expansion team. Do you think you're a better judge of talent than Schmidt?

I can only go on the performances he had with Toronto which were average at best. Sigi is working in a difficult situation for a new franchise so he has to pick players that he probably won't keep around for a while. Our first season we had a lot of makeshift players just because we were a new team.

[mclaren]

I dont agree with much you say, but you're bang on.

In season one the excuse was "We're an expansion team, aspirations of success are immature and unrealistic"

In season two it was "We're a second year team, playoffs aren't for us"

In season three it's "Do you think we might make 8th place? Gee wouldnt that be great"

I said from the start that our biggest problem was a lack of ambition, and acceptance of a poor product. Seattle doesn't have that problem and they are only in their first game. I will bet anybody on here $20.00 they will reach the playoffs in 6th or higher.

Expect more of these excuses this season...some people on here are excuse-making machines. I prefer that we take responsibility and make the tough decisions to make us a better team.

[rocker]

I dont agree with much you say, but you're bang on.

In season one the excuse was "We're an expansion team, aspirations of success are immature and unrealistic"

In season two it was "We're a second year team, playoffs aren't for us"

In season three it's "Do you think we might make 8th place? Gee wouldnt that be great"

I said from the start that our biggest problem was a lack of ambition, and acceptance of a poor product. Seattle doesn't have that problem and they are only in their first game. I will bet anybody on here $20.00 they will reach the playoffs in 6th or higher.

I think you're getting a wee bit ahead of yourself here to prove a point you want to make.

You've seen 1 game by Seattle and that's proof that they won't end up like TFC?

Mo said in year 1 "we're gonna work hard to make the playoffs." (check the youtube videos). He was wrong, but he said it. That's the same thing Seattle says. We'll see if Seattle is different.

If Seattle finishes last this season their so-called ambition won't mean anything. It's about results and until we see what they do in Season 1, Season 2 and Season 3, it's a completely unfair comparison.

They could fail to score in their next 4 games and they'd be in exactly the same position as TFC was in Year 1. But we have to see actual games played to be fair.

[trane]

^

Results speak for themsleves. TFC results have been shit. There may have been reasons for this but in the end the results are shit. Mo is ulitmatley responsible. MLSE has given him another year. If he fails once again to put forward a team that produces poor results, MLSE should let him go. If they do not there need to be consquences.

I liked what I so in the pre-season, as far a offensive signings untill I saw them play, and then I saw some of the same problems that we had last year. it is only one game. I will give them 10 games, to show me, that they have put something good together.

I think what is aggrevatign people is how quickly people defend Mo.

[Toronto_Bhoy]

Haven't read all the comments but this Seattle team has something the last few MLS expansion teams haven't…a coach who not only understands what it takes to win but has actually won!

The tactics employed last night were bang on…Sigi dismantled the Red Bulls in last years Final and again last night by (as many have already noted) playing a high line at the back and quickly linking the midfield with the forwards both up the wings and through the middle. Nothing special but effective but in order to do it you have to have the right pieces. This isn't a knock against TFC but if your gonna win in this league…you've got to play the "league" style. I watched the whole game, throughly enjoyed it and thought this is a team built for the MLS…quick, nippy and very hard working.

Sure you gotta play the games but I'll bet this Seattle team is going to cause trouble for many and it all starts with the man in the dugout…Sigi…

[LucaGol]

Haven't read all the comments but this Seattle team has something the last few MLS expansion teams haven't…a coach who not only understands what it takes to win but has actually won!

The tactics employed last night were bang on…Sigi dismantled the Red Bulls in last years Final and again last night by (as many have already noted) playing a high line at the back and quickly linking the midfield with the forwards both up the wings and through the middle. Nothing special but effective but in order to do it you have to have the right pieces. This isn't a knock against TFC but if your gonna win in this league…you've got to play the "league" style. I watched the whole game, throughly enjoyed it and thought this is a team built for the MLS…quick, nippy and very hard working.

Sure you gotta play the games but I'll bet this Seattle team is going to cause trouble for many and it all starts with the man in the dugout…Sigi…

um ... Frank Yallop

[Toronto_Bhoy]

I have no problem with Frank Yallop. I would have liked to see him here.

The difference is, Sigi went into Seattle from the get go and assembled what IMO is a team built to play in this league. I didn't see that from San Jose last year. I also think Schmid understands how to win "American" and that comes from his NCAA background and work with the USNMT. Personally with the salary cap I think your going to need quality domestic players to excel in this league with a sprinkle of foreign flair.

And with all due respect to Frank he's not done much outside of his two year stint with the Earthquakes back at the turn of the century [that sound odd?] but that's not to say he isn't a winner.

But Sigi's resume is pretty impressive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigi_Schmid

[ExiledRed]

I think you're getting a wee bit ahead of yourself here to prove a point you want to make.

You've seen 1 game by Seattle and that's proof that they won't end up like TFC?

Mo said in year 1 "we're gonna work hard to make the playoffs." (check the youtube videos). He was wrong, but he said it. That's the same thing Seattle says. We'll see if Seattle is different.

If Seattle finishes last this season their so-called ambition won't mean anything. It's about results and until we see what they do in Season 1, Season 2 and Season 3, it's a completely unfair comparison.

They could fail to score in their next 4 games and they'd be in exactly the same position as TFC was in Year 1. But we have to see actual games played to be fair.

I don't think you have ever once had a complaint about anything ever.
You defended fieldturf, and our poor performance and practically everything else that anybody piped up about.

I stopped takling your viewpoint seriously a while back, because it's so one sided. Reading your comments is like reading a biased newspaper.

Anyway, put your money where your fingers are. the bet is $20 that Seattle make 6th or higher this season. You want to take it?

[trane]

^

The problem is too many think that being a supporter means, accepting whatever, the team does.

[rocktml]

TFC Supporters move over for seattle........wow last nights game was massive!

[Steve]

Thoughts on last night:

Crowd: Looked great, hope them all the best so they can push us and the rest of the league forward.

Montero: Looks damned good. What's more, he is apparently only being paid $155,000 for the loan. How the hell? I wonder if there are any backdoor dealings going on here. Either way, he looks good, and if he can keep it up he will be a game breaker.

Team: Looks good so far, I don't want to keep up the old arguement, but it is only one game. I mean, from that game, they look like they could be challenging for a playoff spot, but you know how much can change from our seasons (how many times have we been playing well then just collapsed?). So far so good ,but I'm not willing to give them the cup yet.

Compared to us: I don't think we can judge it yet. In fact, even if Seattle get into the playoffs, we can't judge it yet. Mo has stated he is working on a 5 year plan. Sure, I think that may be too long for such a young league, but I understand his strategy. So, after 5 years, we need to look at where the team is. Right now, I'm excited about the team because not only do we look solid, but we seem to have a good number of young players that will push us further forward by being trained in a single system. If we keep getting better every year, and not only make the playoffs, but make a run for the cup (and take home the cup a few times) for 5 years in a row (after the 5 year plan comes to fruition) can you really say Mo was wrong? Does making the playoffs and flaming out in your first year make up for constant mediocre performance?

Again, I'm not saying this IS how it will turn out, I'm saying it's possible, and we can't fully judge for a few years yet. That being said, I think a 5 year plan is way too long for this league given how fast rules can change (for example, if the salary cap goes up by 50% next year, every team will have to revise their strategy and bring in better players, which may make the 5 year plan less relevant).

[trane]

^ 5 year plan. Alright, he has a 5 year plan, but does that mean we shuold just let him put together a shite team for 4 years, and then just assess his performance in year 5, or worse should be let him filed a shite team for 5 years, and then assess his performance in year 6 when he has the 5 years he needs?

[Beach_Red]

This isn't a knock against TFC but if your gonna win in this league…you've got to play the "league" style. I watched the whole game, throughly enjoyed it and thought this is a team built for the MLS…quick, nippy and very hard working.




That's right. It's worrying to bring in a coach like Carver with no history in this league at all. This year we'll see how much he learned the league from last year.

And also, is Seattle an expansion team? Didn't we learn last year that the USL is not much different than MLS?

[Pachuco]

That's right. It's worrying to bring in a coach like Carver with no history in this league at all. This year we'll see how much he learned the league from last year.

And also, is Seattle an expansion team? Didn't we learn last year that the USL is not much different than MLS?

The players on the field are much different then their USL team. Oh, and so is their coach. It's a brand new team all trying to learn how to play with one another. So that argument doens't fly here.

[ExiledRed]

The players on the field are much different then their USL team. Oh, and so is their coach. It's a brand new team all trying to learn how to play with one another. So that argument doens't fly here.

Correct, or why bother with the expansion draft? Why not just keep all their players?

[Beach_Red]

The players on the field are much different then their USL team. Oh, and so is their coach. It's a brand new team all trying to learn how to play with one another. So that argument doens't fly here.


I'm not trying to make an argument, just point out that we shouldn't be surprised if Seattle does well. The difference between USL and MLS teams isn't that great, plus they improved that roster.

I still think we will more games than Seattle this year and that this year's TFC is much, much better than year one and better than year two. If improvement doesn't continue steadily that's a huge problem, but so far that isn't the case.

[TorCanSoc]

One game folks. Monterro out with a leg injury, Keller takes one in the gooolies, Ljundberg falls of a runway stage.... different team. Its a long season.

No doubt a success so far.

[Shakes McQueen]

I'm not trying to make an argument, just point out that we shouldn't be surprised if Seattle does well. The difference between USL and MLS teams isn't that great, plus they improved that roster.

I still think we will more games than Seattle this year and that this year's TFC is much, much better than year one and better than year two. If improvement doesn't continue steadily that's a huge problem, but so far that isn't the case.

I insist that you cut out this "being reasonable" shit, and join in with the rabble already calling for Mo and Carver's asses, despite us having not played a game yet.

Two of Seattle's goals were very fortunate, and due almost entirely to defensive lapses by the backline, and keeper. New York was missing four players from it's preferred XI.

They played great, absolutely deserved the win, and I was happy for them. But this is one game. We had sparks in our first season (ie Chicago, Dallas), where we looked like world-beaters too, but our final record told a different story.

I'm not making excuses for why New York lost - I'm tying to provide some perspective. Manchester United got demolished by Liverpool last weekend - do you think that one isolated game represents a broader statement on how good or bad either team is?

If they can play that well consistently, then they will be successful this season. But a single match is not long enough to make that determination yet.

For now, I'm savouring the fact that New York got it's ass handed to it.

- Scott

[trane]

^ I do not think that anyone is calling for anyones ass, just hope that as a group we are ready to take a stand if , come June we are in the same position we have been in the past two years. My only point, about Seattle, is the better they do clearer that Mo has been long on excuses and not short of resutls, this is the year that that must end.


I am expecting better things this year.

[Shakes McQueen]

^ I do not think that anyone is calling for anyones ass, just hope that as a group we are ready to take a stand if , come June we are in the same position we have been in the past two years. My only point, about Seattle, the clearer that Mo has been long on excuses and not short of resutls, this is the year that that must end.

But suppose Seattle ends up ultimately finishing with the same record as us in our first year?

I think giving Mo a couple of seasons to put together a good team was fine, but looking at our roster this season, there are no excuses - short of some really catastrophic injuries.

Our pre-season was as successful as Seattle's, in terms of results. I'm confident we will have a good season. And if we aren't, I will address it then. I'm not going to get weary about the season before ours even starts, though.

- Scott

[JonO]

^^^ Well you're just a debbie-downer. Why ruin the joy of the messageboards...:rolleyes:

[trane]

^ I was feeling the same, untill I saw them play on Saturday , and the problems at the back seem to persist. I will give them ten games, but that should be plenty for them to show that a new course has been set.

[Oldtimer]

Seattle has a USL-quality backline, just like Montreal. Also, just like Montreal, they've managed to get those boys to play very well together.

Seattle includes 5 players from their USL side, so the core of the team was there, so they've had a huge advantage over other expansion teams -- and even though the majority of the team and the coach are new, they are still much better off than the last few expansion teams. Plus they have the US player pool, which TFC does not have the same access.

The proof of whether Mo did a good job is not how Seattle does. It's how well Ottawa does (another CDN team from scratch), if Ottawa gets in.

I'm a bit jealous, they won their first MLS game, their first game was at home, they have a roof, their team looks better than our first year team. I'm not jealous of: heavy handed management that tells the supporters what to sing, the marching band (after 10 minutes would drive me nuts), the cheerleaders (reminds me of the NASL). However, they are obviously a success, and that can only be good for the league.

[GeorgeB]

one guy that impressed me other than Montero is Sebastian Le Toux.he is from france but also played in the usl last year in seattle.

[flatpicker]

regarding the first goal in that game...
should it not have been offside?
one of the Seattle players was in an offside position when the shot was taken.
He didn't touch the ball, but he was very close to the keeper...
Does that not count as being part of the play when there is a player in an offside position that can affect the decisions of a keeper?

[Shakes McQueen]

regarding the first goal in that game...
should it not have been offside?
one of the Seattle players was in an offside position when the shot was taken.
He didn't touch the ball, but he was very close to the keeper...
Does that not count as being part of the play when there is a player in an offside position that can affect the decisions of a keeper?

Yes, and it should have been offside. But I guess shit happens. Especially when the "shit" is being controlled by MLS referees.

- Scott

[dannyd]

regarding the first goal in that game...
should it not have been offside?
one of the Seattle players was in an offside position when the shot was taken.
He didn't touch the ball, but he was very close to the keeper...
Does that not count as being part of the play when there is a player in an offside position that can affect the decisions of a keeper?

Yeah, that was the rule about 15 years ago... where have you been living, in a cave since then??

[ExiledRed]

regarding the first goal in that game...
should it not have been offside?
one of the Seattle players was in an offside position when the shot was taken.
He didn't touch the ball, but he was very close to the keeper...
Does that not count as being part of the play when there is a player in an offside position that can affect the decisions of a keeper?

If the player is offside (but unaffecting play) the keeper should be worrying about the players that are onside. Because the moment the offside player involves himself in the play, the flag goes up (ideally)

The goal was fair.

[flatpicker]

^ ok... I just needed it cleared up... I just thought that perhaps the offside player was affecting play.

and thanks to dannyd for being an jerk...

[Shakes McQueen]

If the player is offside (but unaffecting play) the keeper should be worrying about the players that are onside. Because the moment the offside player involves himself in the play, the flag goes up (ideally)

The goal was fair.

So, keepers are now supposed to be sitting there judging for themselves whether a player is offside?

Suppose it's a close call?

If this is seriously the rule now - what a stupid rule. It's up to the referees and the attacking players to make sure they are onside - it shouldn't be up to the GK to decide whether he has to pay attention to a player who could be involved in the play.

- Scott

[Pachuco]

So, keepers are now supposed to be sitting there judging for themselves whether a player is offside?

Suppose it's a close call?

If this is seriously the rule now - what a stupid rule. It's up to the referees and the attacking players to make sure they are onside - it shouldn't be up to the GK to decide whether he has to pay attention to a player who could be involved in the play.

- Scott

It has absolutely nothing to do with that. The goal keeper plays until the whistle blows. Simple as that. They dont give a shit if someone runs on the field with a gun, they keep playing until the whistle blows. The Refs make the decision, and the rule is that the ref judges whether the player was influencing the play. In this case, he was not influencing the play, so it was the right call.

[Shakes McQueen]

It has absolutely nothing to do with that. The goal keeper plays until the whistle blows. Simple as that. They dont give a shit if someone runs on the field with a gun, they keep playing until the whistle blows. The Refs make the decision, and the rule is that the ref judges whether the player was influencing the play. In this case, he was not influencing the play, so it was the right call.

But as flatpicker said, the offside player was very close to the keeper, which ostensibly makes him "involved" in the play.

If some guy was at the other end of the field with a gun, and not standing near the GK, then I agree - play on.

But if the guy standing near Cepero caused Cepero to stand in a bad position, rather than squaring himself to Montero, then it should have been called.

Or at least, that's how I see it. At the end of the day, I guess I just consider it a failure of judgment on the part of the MLS ref - which is common.

- Scott

[JonO]

It has absolutely nothing to do with that. The goal keeper plays until the whistle blows. Simple as that. They dont give a shit if someone runs on the field with a gun, they keep playing until the whistle blows. The Refs make the decision, and the rule is that the ref judges whether the player was influencing the play. In this case, he was not influencing the play, so it was the right call.
No - the question is "how is it determined if a player in an offside position affects the play". Although I haven't seen the play in question, this is the reason I miss the old offside rule.

At the speed the game moves today, it's hard enough for an official to get the actual offside position call right, let alone determine whether or not it affected play.

Personally I think that unless the guy is jogging back up the sideline opposite the field of play then an argument can be made that he affects play. (eg: the defender/keeper has to make a quick decision and a player close to the play can easily affect that decision with regard to positioning, etc..)

Anyway, sorry for the tangent, but it's really my pet peeve.

[Dirk Diggler]

But as flatpicker said, the offside player was very close to the keeper, which ostensibly makes him "involved" in the play.

If some guy was at the other end of the field with a gun, and not standing near the GK, then I agree - play on.

But if the guy standing near Cepero caused Cepero to stand in a bad position, rather than squaring himself to Montero, then it should have been called.

Or at least, that's how I see it. At the end of the day, I guess I just consider it a failure of judgment on the part of the MLS ref - which is common.

- Scott

What does the revised rule have to do with MLS refs? They didn't make it up themselves.

[Dirk Diggler]

I don't think you have ever once had a complaint about anything ever.
You defended fieldturf, and our poor performance and practically everything else that anybody piped up about.

I stopped takling your viewpoint seriously a while back, because it's so one sided. Reading your comments is like reading a biased newspaper.

Anyway, put your money where your fingers are. the bet is $20 that Seattle make 6th or higher this season. You want to take it?

I think I've read more complaints from mlsintoronto than him. I guess some people find having an anti-contrarian viewpoint more rewarding.

[mighty_torontofc_2008]

^ 5 year plan. Alright, he has a 5 year plan, but does that mean we shuold just let him put together a shite team for 4 years, and then just assess his performance in year 5, or worse should be let him filed a shite team for 5 years, and then assess his performance in year 6 when he has the 5 years he needs?


first off the team has not been shite for the first two seasons, the have been competitive for the most part, and last year if they caught a few breaks, like not having to play shorthanded might have made the playoffs.
Its seems like you want a Cup winner from day 1..guess what it doesn't happen that way!! It takes time to build a contebder and ever 5 years might not be enough...there is too much talk of TFC winning a lot this year, for me a .500 record would almost be certain of a playoff spot,
and the Canadian Championship would be nice too,but not at the expence
of having a stronger club in years to come...Carver and Johnston need
more time..a certain hockey team has waited 42 years for a championship team...we Reds fans can have a bit more patience!!

[noochie]

Montero = New. Defenses will figure out quickly how to shut him down.

[Shakes McQueen]

What does the revised rule have to do with MLS refs? They didn't make it up themselves.

Yes, but MLS refs are the ones who have to exercise their judgment in deciding when a player is part of the play, and when they aren't, which is what I was talking about.

- Scott

[James Oliphant]

Montero = New. Defenses will figure out quickly how to shut him down.

There's just one problem with that theory: very few MLS teams have defences.

[onemanbarmyarmy]

So, keepers are now supposed to be sitting there judging for themselves whether a player is offside?

Suppose it's a close call?

If this is seriously the rule now - what a stupid rule. It's up to the referees and the attacking players to make sure they are onside - it shouldn't be up to the GK to decide whether he has to pay attention to a player who could be involved in the play.

- Scott

If I'm not mistaken one of, if not the , "goalden" (sp. but it stays) rules is to play till the whistle blows. Do your job and save balls like Donovan does for Becky.

[dannyd]

^ ok... I just needed it cleared up... I just thought that perhaps the offside player was affecting play.

and thanks to dannyd for being an jerk...

Sorry I don't mean to be a jerk. I just find it precocious that some people (not you neccessarily) who have so many strong opinions and like to tell others our opinions don't matter, that these certain people (aka Shakes) don't even understand one of the games basic rules, which isn't really complicated to anyone who's actually watched soccer closely for more than a couple years.

It just makes me wonder, thats all...

[Shakes McQueen]

If I'm not mistaken one of, if not the , "goalden" (sp. but it stays) rules is to play till the whistle blows. Do your job and save balls like Donovan does for Becky.

It isn't about playing until the whistle, as I mentioned before. It's about Cepero being forced to position himself in relation to people who are technically offside on the play, as the Seattle player was on Montero's first goal.

- Scott

[Shakes McQueen]

Sorry I don't mean to be a jerk. I just find it precocious that some people (not you neccessarily) who have so many strong opinions and like to tell others our opinions don't matter, that these certain people (aka Shakes) don't even understand one of the games basic rules, which isn't really complicated to anyone who's actually watched soccer closely for more than a couple years.

It just makes me wonder, thats all...

What the hell is your problem? I've never told ANYONE that their "opinion doesn't matter". In fact, I've generally gone after the people here who denigrate people for their opinions.

I understand the rule at play here perfectly, and the offside player should have been considered part of the play, due to his proximity to Cepero.

Unbelievable that you literally apologize to flatpicker for being a jerk, and then proceed to call someone else "precocious" in the same damn sentence, tell me I don't understand basic rules, and then tell me how long I've watched soccer??

What a piece of work.

- Scott

[koryo]

Take it outside you two. This can easily be sorted through PMs.

[trane]

first off the team has not been shite for the first two seasons, the have been competitive for the most part, and last year if they caught a few breaks, like not having to play shorthanded might have made the playoffs.
Its seems like you want a Cup winner from day 1..guess what it doesn't happen that way!! It takes time to build a contebder and ever 5 years might not be enough...there is too much talk of TFC winning a lot this year, for me a .500 record would almost be certain of a playoff spot,
and the Canadian Championship would be nice too,but not at the expence
of having a stronger club in years to come...Carver and Johnston need
more time..a certain hockey team has waited 42 years for a championship team...we Reds fans can have a bit more patience!!


No I wanted us to win the cup in out first game. You are right.

What I want is real progress in quality of play on the field. I am not sure what team you have been watching, and we have been good and competative for streches in both season, we have been awfull for far too many streches.

[Shakes McQueen]

Take it outside you two. This can easily be sorted through PMs.

I'm not intending on dragging this out, but being called "precocious", and accused of telling people their opinions don't matter in public, begets a public response from me.

- Scott

[flatpicker]

Sorry I don't mean to be a jerk. I just find it precocious that some people (not you neccessarily) who have so many strong opinions and like to tell others our opinions don't matter, that these certain people (aka Shakes) don't even understand one of the games basic rules, which isn't really complicated to anyone who's actually watched soccer closely for more than a couple years.

It just makes me wonder, thats all...


I have enjoyed the game for a long time... though I wouldn't say I have been a "student" of the game and studied it closely until a few years ago.
I will freely admit that there are many people here who understand the intricacies better than I do.
If I'm wrong about something then I have no problem accepting that fact.
I was just curious because I had some confusion about the rule.
But after the last couple of pages I admit... I am still confused!
But I won't get into an argument about it... civil dialogue is good for me.

[Alixir]

how the fuck is it that the Seatle Wankers play their very first game ever...at home.
Yet TFC in its third season has yet to play their season opener at home?

[pekduck]

how the fuck is it that the Seatle Wankers play their very first game ever...at home.
Yet TFC in its third season has yet to play their season opener at home?

march game in potential snow and near 0 degrees, good luck convince folks south of the border

[tfcleeds]

march game in potential snow and near 0 degrees, good luck convince folks south of the border

Problem is, places like Boston, New York, Columbus, and Chicago aren't immune to such weather conditions in March, yet you never see them being denied a home game in week 1.

I really hope next season is our chance to start the season at home. It smacks of unfairness always having to start the season on the road.

[Beach_Red]

Problem is, places like Boston, New York, Columbus, and Chicago aren't immune to such weather conditions in March, yet you never see them being denied a home game in week 1.

I really hope next season is our chance to start the season at home. It smacks of unfairness always having to start the season on the road.


And finishing the season on the road, too. Come on, one or the other.

It can't be blamed on weather at the end of the season because we'll have playoff games at BMO after that.

[MisterMacphisto]

march game in potential snow and near 0 degrees, good luck convince folks south of the border

Time for a see-through bubble at BMO. :)

[Pachuco]

I have enjoyed the game for a long time... though I wouldn't say I have been a "student" of the game and studied it closely until a few years ago.
I will freely admit that there are many people here who understand the intricacies better than I do.
If I'm wrong about something then I have no problem accepting that fact.
I was just curious because I had some confusion about the rule.
But after the last couple of pages I admit... I am still confused!
But I won't get into an argument about it... civil dialogue is good for me.

If you are still confused let me try and clarify. I think we all agree on what the rule is. If there is a player in an offside position, and the ref deems him not to be involved in the play then the ref doesn't have to blow the whistle. It's a judgement call from the ref, which means there will always be calls where people will question the ref's judgement.

The only disagreement here is in specifics to the play that we are discussing. Nyassi was definately in an offside position when Montero scored his goal, that I think we can all agree on. The MLS ref chose to let the goal stand because he demmed Nyassi to not be involved in the play. Shakes disagrees with the ref, I agreed with the ref.

I actually admit it was close and it could have gone both ways, but in the end, I felt the ball was going in the net no matter what, and I felt that the goalie squared up perfectly to Montero, I don't even think he saw Nyassi coming. I also didn't see a single complaint from the goalie or any NY player, which usually says a lot.

Either way, the good thing is Seattle won 3-0 so really, there is no excuse. (not suggesting anybody here is trying to make one, but I could see NY fans getting all over this one).

[flatpicker]

^ okey-dokey

[LucaGol]

how the fuck is it that the Seatle Wankers play their very first game ever...at home.
Yet TFC in its third season has yet to play their season opener at home?

FO wants it that way. I think they make a deal with the league.

MLSintoronto confirmed this a while ago I think.

It's a bubble/weather issue.

Boh.

[pekduck]

Problem is, places like Boston, New York, Columbus, and Chicago aren't immune to such weather conditions in March, yet you never see them being denied a home game in week 1.

I really hope next season is our chance to start the season at home. It smacks of unfairness always having to start the season on the road.

Canadian thanksgiving is in Oct, US is in Nov.

It's fall time in NYC in their thanksgiving and we are already having snow from time to time. Similarly, US Northeast is still south from us :rolleyes:

[djking2]

Similarly, US Northeast is still south from us :rolleyes:

No it's not. Toronto is at 43 degree north latitiude, Seattle at 47 and Portland at 45. They do have a more temperate maritime climate but are definitely further north

[Four 4 Two]

And finishing the season on the road, too. Come on, one or the other.

It can't be blamed on weather at the end of the season because we'll have playoff games at BMO after that.

Well Said.....Yes we will!!

[Draracle]

http://www.soundersfc.com/

Check out the video titled "Drew Carey". It looks like seattle is going to be one of the better fan bases in the league. 3000 joined the march to the stadium, complete with a marching band (organized and paid for by the FO, but still must be a helluva lotta fun for the fans).

[Jack]

Good.

They've got a solid team and a great young player in Montero. Great fan base and support and ownership that gets it.

Congrats to Seattle on a great debut. These guys aren't a real expansion team.

I think they'll do quite well (though the Red Bulls were awfully shite in that match)

[Alixir]

march game in potential snow and near 0 degrees, good luck convince folks south of the border
boooo
Yamagata of J-League played their first game of the season in snow so bad they had to switch to a flourescent orange ball for most of the game so they could actually see it.
fuckin yanks are such pussies.

[Dirk Diggler]

boooo
Yamagata of J-League played their first game of the season in snow so bad they had to switch to a flourescent orange ball for most of the game so they could actually see it.
fuckin yanks are such pussies.

Why do people take every opportunity to randomly bash the "yanks"? This has nothing to do with the Yanks. Due to various issues regarding public usage/bubble etc at BMO Field, the home opener in Toronto takes a while.

[Cuchulain]

march game in potential snow and near 0 degrees, good luck convince folks south of the border

The Toronto Blizzard played in snow at the old Exhibition Stadium.

[Alixir]

Why do people take every opportunity to randomly bash the "yanks"?
cause its fun...and easy.