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SuperTCP
03-18-2009, 09:02 AM
This guy not only scalps his tickets, for the openner he detaches the tickets, sells them, then posts a seperate sale of the STH Scarves on craigslist. At least he could of just given them to the poor saps who bought the 1st game from him.

http://www.bramptontickets.com/toronto_fc.html

MartinUtd
03-18-2009, 10:12 AM
Has there ever been any action from the FO on this stuff? I know cleaning up the streets might be too much to ask (it isn't) but what this guy is doing is pretty blatant and can be easily remedied.

C'mon mlsintoronto, put the screws into this guy!!!

Pachuco
03-18-2009, 10:17 AM
Has there ever been any action from the FO on this stuff? I know cleaning up the streets might be too much to ask (it isn't) but what this guy is doing is pretty blatant and can be easily remedied.

C'mon mlsintoronto, put the screws into this guy!!!

Hmmm that's what I want to know. However, you can't really do anything to the guy unless you catch him and prove that he actually sold the tickets. Or else, think about it. I get pissed off at the guy behind me for asking me to sit, so I go on a website the next day and pretend to be selling his tickets online for a scalped price :D. Maybe I should try that..hehe.

Carts
03-18-2009, 10:18 AM
If ever there was a chance to make an example of someone, this is it...

He's blantantly scalping - and even has a pic from the stadium saying "Exact view from my 2009 season ticket location. Section 117 row 12. Photo personally taken October 16, 2008 during the annual season ticket holder relocation event." so he can't say its not him doing it...

I know the team can't hunt down and stop all scalpers etc, but I'd love to see the team come down on this guy - he's making it pretty easy to do so...

Carts...

Carts
03-18-2009, 10:20 AM
Hmmm that's what I want to know. However, you can't really do anything to the guy unless you catch him and prove that he actually sold the tickets. Or else, think about it. I get pissed off at the guy behind me for asking me to sit, so I go on a website the next day and pretend to be selling his tickets online for a scalped price :D. Maybe I should try that..hehe.

All they would have to do is buy a pair from him... Bang, proof...

Would make a good PR story for the media, real good PR...

Carts...

Pachuco
03-18-2009, 10:20 AM
If ever there was a chance to make an example of someone, this is it...

He's blantantly scalping - and even has a pic from the stadium saying "Exact view from my 2009 season ticket location. Section 117 row 12. Photo personally taken October 16, 2008 during the annual season ticket holder relocation event." so he can't say its not him doing it...

I know the team can't hunt down and stop all scalpers etc, but I'd love to see the team come down on this guy - he's making it pretty easy to do so...

Carts...

I don't get it. I can go to the relocation event, take a picture from anywhere in the stadium, and pretend to be selling the seat. You need a heck of alot more proof then that (even legally) to be able to do anything to him. You have to catch him in the act of selling the ticket OR you would need someone's testimony and proof that they bought the tickets I would think.

Carts
03-18-2009, 10:23 AM
See above post.

Carts...

Nodoubtguy
03-18-2009, 10:23 AM
I don't get it. I can go to the relocation event, take a picture from anywhere in the stadium, and pretend to be selling the seat. You need a heck of alot more proof then that (even legally) to be able to do anything to him. You have to catch him in the act of selling the ticket OR you would need someone's testimony and proof that they bought the tickets I would think.

you mean this doesn't qualify as proof enough




2009 Toronto FC Ticket Inventory

Terms of sale:
5% GST added to all orders. GST number provided upon request.
Payment via cheque, PayPal, or e-mail money transfer.
Cash payment also accepted with in-person pick-up in Brampton, ON.
$16.00 for domestic Purolator. $1.00 for regular mail.
No charge pick-up. No charge Ticketfast (where applicable).
No refunds or exchanges, unless approved on an individual basis.
100% refund given for cancelled games.
All tickets are “hard” tickets (unless noted Ticketfast).
All tickets are side-by-side (seated together).

MartinUtd
03-18-2009, 10:24 AM
This isn't kijiji though. This guy has obviously set up a domain and put the programming hours into this with the intention of turning a profit on the tickets. I'm sure MLSE would be able to confirm who this guy his based on their account information and a few impromptu communications.

I'd rather see them tackle this sooner than later. It's only going to get worse with stadium expansion being discussed.

Pachuco
03-18-2009, 10:28 AM
Guys I hate this shit as much as you do. Believe me, this isn't proof at all. Put it this way, what if this guy doens't actually own the seasons. His buddy does, and his buddy gave him the tickets for free because he's going away for 2 months. This guy turns around and is trying to scalp the tickets for a profit. What are you going to do? revoke the season tickets of a guy who did nothing wrong?

None of this is proof of anything guys.

Pachuco
03-18-2009, 10:29 AM
All they would have to do is buy a pair from him... Bang, proof...

Would make a good PR story for the media, real good PR...

Carts...

Yes, I'm with you on this one. I'm not sure MLSE is going to buy all these tickets being scalped on the internet though ;)

Carts
03-18-2009, 10:30 AM
Guys I hate this shit as much as you do. Believe me, this isn't proof at all. Put it this way, what if this guy doens't actually own the seasons. His buddy does, and his buddy gave him the tickets for free because he's going away for 2 months. This guy turns around and is trying to scalp the tickets for a profit. What are you going to do? revoke the season tickets of a guy who did nothing wrong?

None of this is proof of anything guys.

It is proof if an agent of MLSE buys tickets from him at the prices listed...

Hell, they could even rope the guy in and ask for an in person meeting because they want to buy every ticket available...

Proof is easy to get...

Could they hunt down every scalper - of course not, they have other work to do... Could they nail this guy, with proof - easily!

Carts...

Suds
03-18-2009, 10:33 AM
Guys I hate this shit as much as you do. Believe me, this isn't proof at all. Put it this way, what if this guy doens't actually own the seasons. His buddy does, and his buddy gave him the tickets for free because he's going away for 2 months. This guy turns around and is trying to scalp the tickets for a profit. What are you going to do? revoke the season tickets of a guy who did nothing wrong?

None of this is proof of anything guys.


you're creating a bit a of a strawman argument here ... he obviously owns these seats as stated on his web site .. "Photo personally taken October 16, 2008 during the annual season ticket holder relocation event."

Pachuco
03-18-2009, 10:33 AM
It is proof if an agent of MLSE buys tickets from him at the prices listed...

Hell, they could even rope the guy in and ask for an in person meeting because they want to buy every ticket available...

Proof is easy to get...

Could they hunt down every scalper - of course not, they have other work to do... Could they nail this guy, with proof - easily!

Carts...

So what happens if he doesn't even own the season tickets when he sells them to MLSE? then you've accomplished nothing except get two tickets to a single game back. Oh, and you had to buy them back. They can't do anything until he actually sells them, at that time, can they ask for the money back?

Pachuco
03-18-2009, 10:35 AM
you're creating a bit a of a strawman argument here ... he obviously owns these seats as stated on his web site .. "Photo personally taken October 16, 2008 during the annual season ticket holder relocation event."

Ok, I'm stating right now that I own season tickets in 109, row 18, seat 17. I'm selling them here on RPB for 100 bucks a piece...any takers?

See how easy that was? With your theories the lady who asks me to sit down all the time would have her tickets revoked :)

Carts
03-18-2009, 10:40 AM
Ok, I'm stating right now that I own season tickets in 109, row 18, seat 17. I'm selling them here on RPB for 100 bucks a piece...any takers?

See how easy that was? With your theories the lady who asks me to sit down all the time would have her tickets revoked :)

Ah no...

MLSE Guy & Undercover Cop - "...hi we'd like to buy the $12 tickets for $60...?"

Scalper - "...sure..."

Money now changes hands...

Undercover Officer - "...ID please, I'm writing you a ticket as you're in violation of Ontario laws (blah blah blah)..."

Scalper - "...here's my ID, fine me the $100..."

MLSE Guy - "...ok Joe Smith of 12345 this street, you're listed as a season holder of these tickets... your season tickets will be revoked..."

Pretty easy to get proof really...

Do they have the time, money, and man power to do this... No...

Could they... yes...

Carts...

Pachuco
03-18-2009, 10:45 AM
Ah no...

MLSE Guy & Undercover Cop - "...hi we'd like to buy the $12 tickets for $60...?"

Scalper - "...sure..."

Money now changes hands...

Undercover Officer - "...ID please, I'm writing you a ticket as you're in violation of Ontario laws (blah blah blah)..."

Scalper - "...here's my ID, fine me the $100..."

MLSE Guy - "...ok Joe Smith of 12345 this street, you're listed as a season holder of these tickets... your season tickets will be revoked..."

Pretty easy to get proof really...

Do they have the time, money, and man power to do this... No...

Could they... yes...

Carts...

I'm with you man. that's exactly what they would need to do to get proof. They obviously aren't about to do that the thousands of tickets that are currently being scalped.

I think a more realistic option is to do the following:
1. Send a certified letter from a lawyer (to the owner of the season tickets) stating that if the tickets are not pulled from the website then an investigation will take place. This will hopefully scare enough people that they will stop posting the tickets online making it much more difficult to sell.
2. By the way, it's so freeking easy to do what you are saying with the scalpers who already surround the stadium and they don't do it. So we can't bet on them doing for someone online who they have to lure to the stadium.

Pachuco
03-18-2009, 10:48 AM
Oh, and there's always the grey area (stupid ass law) that allows you to re-sell the tickets for face value + charge an administration fee. So remember, there is always that to contend with as well. If that stupid law didn't exist Ticketmaster wouldn't either. Which is the way I would like it to be.

SuperTCP
03-18-2009, 10:56 AM
They should have a sting operation to catch these online sellers. I am sure they can be nabbed when picking up the tickets, etc.

I would volunteer to assist in the operation, my fee: Season tickets please. I would even pay for them, so really the service is free.

Some include all ticket details and even their email address, if the details and the email address etc match that of their STH Account Profile, just revoke them automatically. It's not like TFC will have hard time selling them afterwards as there are a lot of us on the waiting lists.

MartinUtd
03-18-2009, 10:57 AM
His site says he takes email money transfers.

Is there a name attached to the account on that process? If you were to begin a transaction would you need a name and an email or just the email to transfer the funds? If a name is required then there's your proof with no money having changed hands to get it.

MartinUtd
03-18-2009, 10:58 AM
Or if you just want to hassle the guy you can always sign up contact@bramptontickets.com (contact@bramptontickets.com) for credit checks and animal porn

SuperTCP
03-18-2009, 10:59 AM
That law is stupid and outdated, with todays modern technology we can order anything we like from the source. No need for Middlemen like ticketbastard anymore.

Pachuco
03-18-2009, 11:05 AM
His site says he takes email money transfers.

Is there a name attached to the account on that process? If you were to begin a transaction would you need a name and an email or just the email to transfer the funds? If a name is required then there's your proof with no money having changed hands to get it.

I do email money transfers all the time. All you need is an email.

I agree with TCP-IP though, if the email address used online is the same one attached to the TFC profile then ban the fucker and take his season tickets.

ACSertL
03-18-2009, 11:06 AM
Or if you just want to hassle the guy you can always sign up contact@bramptontickets.com (contact@bramptontickets.com) for credit checks and animal porn

Anyone with access to the WhoIs database can look up his physical address. :)

BuSaPuNk
03-18-2009, 11:11 AM
Even if the guy that owns the seats isn't the one selling them....I wouldn't think it would matter. The tickets are in such and suchs name...he is responsible for them. If his tickets end up on scalpers websites and such he still isn't helping the problem. It's called accessory. Either way take there tickets and ban them from the property. Done and Done.

TFC Via Buffalo
03-18-2009, 11:14 AM
We can hire Chris Hansen from "To Catch A Predator" on Dateline. He gets kid touchers to confess with a simple threat. I'm sure he could do the same to scalpers.

boomcha
03-18-2009, 11:18 AM
EDIT:


yes, he's scum, but posting personal info like names, address and telephone numbers is only asking for trouble (trouble for us, not just for him)


please keep personal info OFF the boards.

Wagner
03-18-2009, 11:19 AM
Don't forget, MLSE likes scalpers.
they'll never say it, but it's true.

no left over ticket inventory,
all the risk has been taken away for the FO.
And the dirtbags that do it risk being stuck with tickets,
but that's where they charge their premium.

Brooker
03-18-2009, 11:21 AM
mlsintoronto doesnt give a shit about scalpers.

Wagner
03-18-2009, 11:22 AM
there are a fair number of rob james on facebook in the toronto network...

OneLoveOneEric
03-18-2009, 11:22 AM
Don't forget, MLSE likes scalpers.
they'll never say it, but it's true.

no left over ticket inventory,
all the risk has been taken away for the FO.
And the dirtbags that do it risk being stuck with tickets,
but that's where they charge their premium.

Correct. Close the thread, and all others like it.

Wagner
03-18-2009, 11:23 AM
mlsintoronto doesnt give a shit about scalpers.

to be fair, he's had a few quotes saying he doesn't love them.
like when he openly chatted about the Card Style ticket that you would scan for every game....and how it would deter scalpers.

But again, pro-sports sees scalpers as a beneficial parasite.

Oblio2
03-18-2009, 11:34 AM
This guy has tickets and can choose how he wants to sell them. he wants the scarf sold separately...meh. How much is is selling the ticket for?
regular face value would be what, $25.

pepher
03-18-2009, 12:11 PM
Question: Which organization is in a legal position to act on this? Is it the Police? Does it have to be initiated by MLSE if 'scalping' is against the law? I raise the same question about the illegal use of the TFC logo for example. I would assume that legal action against a company for illegally using the TFC logo would need to be initiated by TFC/MLSE, no? But can the same not be said about 'scalping'?

Red CB Toronto
03-18-2009, 12:14 PM
Don't the scarf and ticket have to left attached to get into the opening game?

djking2
03-18-2009, 12:21 PM
Don't the scarf and ticket have to left attached to get into the opening game?

Last one of ours was detached out of the box so, no

Parkdale
03-18-2009, 12:28 PM
Don't the scarf and ticket have to left attached to get into the opening game?

no. it's never been this way. the ticket has a barcode, and unless the barcode is knitted into the scarf, the scarf is just decoration.

SuperTCP
03-18-2009, 12:31 PM
Even if the guy that owns the seats isn't the one selling them....I wouldn't think it would matter. The tickets are in such and suchs name...he is responsible for them. If his tickets end up on scalpers websites and such he still isn't helping the problem. It's called accessory. Either way take there tickets and ban them from the property. Done and Done.

I agree!

Pachuco
03-18-2009, 12:35 PM
Even if the guy that owns the seats isn't the one selling them....I wouldn't think it would matter. The tickets are in such and suchs name...he is responsible for them. If his tickets end up on scalpers websites and such he still isn't helping the problem. It's called accessory. Either way take there tickets and ban them from the property. Done and Done.

If that's something MLSE made clear on the purchase of season tickets then they could do that. I'd be all for it. But MLSE would have to make that clear ahead of time. I have no idea whether they do or don't.

jaahuuu
03-18-2009, 12:44 PM
Anyone with access to the WhoIs database can look up his physical address. :)
You don't need anyone with access, it's publically available.

From looking at google maps, it appears that the administrative contact info he has listed is in a residential neighborhood and probably a home phone number.

Pookie
03-18-2009, 01:58 PM
MLSE knows that their tickets are being scalped. The Jays know it. Heck, the NHL and MLB are in partnerships with Stubhub for pete's sake.

Scalping is only a business issue when the act of scalping drives down ticket prices. In this case, the inflated market creates the demand for tickets. It results in the waiting list that we see.

IMO, no one at MLSE is interested in calling fouls on this action as it isn't harming their business. If they were interested, these guys are easy to catch.

If you want to shut the guy down, I think you'd get better traction by looking at his "5% GST" claim and notifying Revenue Canada. Does he actually submit GST on all his ticket sales?

Remember, the FBI didn't bring down Mobsters, it was the IRS.

Personally, I really don't care about scalpers. If the market wasn't there they'd be out of business.

mighty_torontofc_2008
03-18-2009, 02:02 PM
could scalpers print off the tickets making the original ones useless and sell both? would that be Fraud?

H Bomb
03-18-2009, 02:22 PM
Ah no...

MLSE Guy & Undercover Cop - "...hi we'd like to buy the $12 tickets for $60...?"

Scalper - "...sure..."

Money now changes hands...

Undercover Officer - "...ID please, I'm writing you a ticket as you're in violation of Ontario laws (blah blah blah)..."

Scalper - "...here's my ID, fine me the $100..."

MLSE Guy - "...ok Joe Smith of 12345 this street, you're listed as a season holder of these tickets... your season tickets will be revoked..."

Pretty easy to get proof really...

Do they have the time, money, and man power to do this... No...

Could they... yes...

Carts...


I'm with you man. that's exactly what they would need to do to get proof. They obviously aren't about to do that the thousands of tickets that are currently being scalped.



why do people always do this. Carts came up with a perfectly reasonable solution. Then the response says "they are obviously not going to do that"....why not? Why wouldn't they do it? it makes sense, so they should do it.

Pookie
03-18-2009, 02:41 PM
why do people always do this. Carts came up with a perfectly reasonable solution. Then the response says "they are obviously not going to do that"....why not? Why wouldn't they do it? it makes sense, so they should do it.

Simple answer is that they don't care about scalping.

Scalping, providing that the price asked is higher than the price of legally available tickets, does not hurt their bottom line.

In fact, it drives the demand for their legally available tickets higher.

Take it one step further. MLSE is the same organization that charges Personal Seat License Fees for both the Leafs and Raptors season ticket holders.

PSL's give a person the "right to buy" a season ticket. It also gives them the right to sell the PSL (at a profit which is ok via the license) provided they pay a $500 transfer fee to MLSE.

So, the more valuable a season ticket is, the more likely it is that they can sell PSLs and profit from the transfer.

If there is a robust secondary ticket market, it helps fuel that business. A PSL is not very valuable if they restrict the resale of tickets and you lose money on games you can't go to.

In short, why wouldn't they want to crack down on scalpers? Because scalpers are good for business.

(Notice that you can't transfer your TFC tickets? Notice that there is a club fee in the red sections? Wait for the PSL...)

Flipityflu
03-18-2009, 08:09 PM
FO's are FO's, and have never cared about stopping scalping. they gain too much benefit from it. the people who care most about stopping will always be the fans, yet we don't have any legal power to stop it.

we do have illegal power to stop it, but i think most people here would stop short of robbery/assault.

arsenal
03-18-2009, 08:18 PM
Scalping will not be stopped because MLSE has no desire to waste time or money in the courts fighting scalpers which is reasonable. Also factoring in what has been posted earlier (scalpers are good in that the ST's are all sold with minimal effort for the FO and creates scarcity of tickets and more demand), there is not much of a business case (they are a business at the end of the day) to be made for MLSE to stop the scalpers.

pubboy
03-19-2009, 06:20 AM
As other posters have said before, i like the idea of using a plastic card as your season ticket - scan in at the gate, and even use it to put cash on to purchase things at concession stands. Would almost stop scalping overnight as far as season tickets are concerned. Several clubs around Europe have introduced this successfully now.

Mikey
03-19-2009, 06:28 AM
LOL at him charging "taxes" on an illegal transaction. I dont know what he's putting on his tax return, but it's not "income from ticket scalping".

Money laundering 101.......

this is an issue for the tax man, they dont give a shit about MLSE or anyone else turning a blind eye. Tax evasion and money laundering is not getting a $250 dollar fine.

EDIT* Any implied complicity from ticketbastard or MLSE employees would make it really worthwhile.

TFC John
03-19-2009, 06:46 AM
As other posters have said before, i like the idea of using a plastic card as your season ticket - scan in at the gate, and even use it to put cash on to purchase things at concession stands. Would almost stop scalping overnight as far as season tickets are concerned. Several clubs around Europe have introduced this successfully now.


I like this idea in principle but how do I give/sell tickets to someone I don't know or trust? Last year I attended every game except Colorado. For that game I gave my tickets to a friend who used them as a prize in a charity auction. The guy who owned the seats in front of me gave his tickets to charity at least twice last year. How do you do that with the card system you describe?

S_D
03-19-2009, 08:32 AM
Steve Simmons article on online scalping:

Anselmi doesn't like what tickets now is doing and they are going to address it when the next ticketmaster contract comes up for renewal.


When asked about one of his business partners operating a ticket scalping website, Anselmi said: "I'm not comfortable with that. We'll have to address that the next time we do a contract (with Ticketmaster). From our perspective, it's not anything we're participating in."

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/columnists/steve_simmons/2009/03/19/8801641-sun.html


Vancouver Olympic Committee suing a "ticket broker":

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/othersports/2009/03/19/8801646-sun.html



The perception had been that organizers hands were tied when it came to taking legal action against ticket brokers, since there's no law in British Columbia against scalping.

But organizers are using copyright and consumer protection legislation instead, claiming that the Vancouver-based company is violating the terms of the ticketing agreement that everyone signs on to when they buy an Olympic ticket.
That includes not reselling the ticket for higher than its face value.


So it can be done, it just takes the will of the company to do it even if the scalping laws are weak/non existant.

jaahuuu
03-19-2009, 09:08 AM
could scalpers print off the tickets making the original ones useless and sell both? would that be Fraud?
Pretty much...caveat emptor.


As other posters have said before, i like the idea of using a plastic card as your season ticket - scan in at the gate, and even use it to put cash on to purchase things at concession stands. Would almost stop scalping overnight as far as season tickets are concerned. Several clubs around Europe have introduced this successfully now.
I doubt they would do this without some kind of print-out ability as well, so it would do nothing to stop scalping.

Hustle
03-19-2009, 09:12 AM
Maybe there is a hole in my logic here but since there is no immediate possibility anyone is going to prosecute him, we might as well make him work for his dirty money starting now.

What if an organized group of us emailed him as legitimate buyers and asked about each available set ....go back and forth and haggle every detail with him via email:
price
terms of payment,
pick up options,
ask if you can see a photo of the tickets to make sure they are real,
ask how the view is of the field when the sun is going down.
ask about the opposing team and whether they are entertaining or not.
even offer to pay more to have him hold them, because of you want to take an important client, but you want to make sure its perfect...etc..etc..

all legitimate questions right?

...Just flood him and see how long you can lead him on...just happen to have to back out at the last minute if it ever gets that far, with no explanation, so he doesn't catch on. In the time he is dealing with you, we are at least doubling his work load....he has to respond at least to the first couple requests...if he is desperate you could hook him for a long time.

Needs organization, but it would be fun. If you make his job a living hell, he'll quit and thats one small step.

Pookie
03-19-2009, 12:13 PM
Steve Simmons article on online scalping:

Anselmi doesn't like what tickets now is doing and they are going to address it when the next ticketmaster contract comes up for renewal.

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/columnists/steve_simmons/2009/03/19/8801641-sun.html

Vancouver Olympic Committee suing a "ticket broker":

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/othersports/2009/03/19/8801646-sun.html


2 different stories.

MLSE doesn't want to be associated with a partner who is brokering tickets. That's not surprising considering the execs that got fired for profiting on PSL fees. They want to distance themselves from that as much as possible.

Notice that he said he is "not comfortable with that. We'll have to address that the next time we do a contract (with Ticketmaster). From our perspective, it's not anything we're participating in."

He didn't say that he is addressing it now. No interest. As pointed out above, scalping helps their business. Why shut it down?

All they want is good PR so they distance themselves from it.

Vancouver is a different story.

This is not an ongoing event. Scalping doesn't help their future sales. In fact, since the primary function here is to sell the city, ensuring that people don't feel gouged is a priority.

mike_bouma
03-20-2009, 07:44 AM
Here's some fun for everyone. This guy's selling section 127 seasons for $750 a piece... and gave us his blackberry email address (jeffrevoredo@telus.blackberry.net)

http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/tix/1082976395.html

Why doesn't everyone go here once and send him an anonymous email letting him know he's a dickhead:

http://www.sendanonymousemail.net/

stugautz
03-20-2009, 08:12 AM
Here's some fun for everyone. This guy's selling section 127 seasons for $750 a piece... and gave us his blackberry email address (jeffrevoredo@telus.blackberry.net)

http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/tor/tix/1082976395.html

Why doesn't everyone go here once and send him an anonymous email letting him know he's a dickhead:

http://www.sendanonymousemail.net/

Somebody should design a site that puts any e-mail address onto every random mailing list possible.

StandUpIfYouHateChelsea
03-21-2009, 05:27 PM
i still suggest mass humiliation of scalpers , taut them taut them with the masses!

Four 4 Two
03-21-2009, 05:42 PM
I still think that if I can't get a ticket for a....well....anything, that I'm glad scalpers are there to overcharge me. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to go at all.. And don't say I would be able to buy one from the ticket window....they'd be sold out already!! And when I take the kids to a Jay game, tickets are cheaper from a scalper!! I mean they do serve a purpose!!

Dozitwin
03-22-2009, 04:16 PM
Oh, and there's always the grey area (stupid ass law) that allows you to re-sell the tickets for face value + charge an administration fee. So remember, there is always that to contend with as well. If that stupid law didn't exist Ticketmaster wouldn't either. Which is the way I would like it to be.

This is probably the most key point. He's listing the tickets at what ever price but that price likely includes the 'admin' fee (or at least that is what he'll claim). Add to that that he is actually charging GST, presumably not attempting to defraud the fed. gov and it's safe to assume that this guy has done his homework, knows the loopholes and how to exploit them and realistacally there is not much that can be done.

An interesting question is, is he charging the same admin fee amount for all tickets?