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105BallHats
03-17-2009, 07:55 AM
First off, not a chance, I have a couch and a TV at home to sit and watch!

For those of us not sitting in supporters sections I'm curious to know if you actually plan to listen to the 'no prolonged standing rule'??? Or if it will be enforced?

I'm in 105, 4 rows up. There are about 15-20 of us that are dieing to stand/chant but there are 5-10 that will never stand that sit behind me. Most of the time we stand and things have been getting better and better since day one.
The biggest problem is that we are closest to the standing/chanting/screaming away fans (if/when they show up). Telling us that we should sit and listen to them is heartbreaking. How can you force us to sit when 'that' is right in your face!?

I love my section, I don't want to move, I want it to come alive. We don't need full supporters section status - so things don't get out of hand too close to their fans - we just want the right to support our team.

Advice from the masses?

Thanks - Soccerballhat guy.

Shaughno
03-17-2009, 08:01 AM
Advice? Punch anyone in the face that doesn't stand. ;)

flatpicker
03-17-2009, 08:03 AM
^ pearls of wisdom from Shaughno.

redcard
03-17-2009, 08:06 AM
i get the feeling that with the new supporters section being created the FO may actually 'enforce' the non supporters sections to sit...i guess it will be a wait and see on how adamant the FO will be in making sure non supporters sections are seated.

jabbronies
03-17-2009, 08:06 AM
There's power in numbers. If the whole section is standing. those 5-10 people will have no choice but to stand. Unfortunatly right now you don't have the number to justify it.

I'm pretty sure if you do try and over power them by standing the whole game, they'll probably complain to security and you'll be told to sit down. TFC FO extended the supporters sections this year so that standers could relocate to the standing areas and allow the sitters the freedom to sit and enjoy the game.

but if you rally the whole section to stand - which will probably take all season to convince people to do - then those 5-10 people, if that number doesn't grow - will probably join in as well.

anto7
03-17-2009, 09:42 AM
One thing you may consider doing is changing seats with those who do not want to stand so that they are in front of you. That way everyone wins.
I am in Section 105 row 12 and always stand and sing and plan on doing so again this year.
One game last year 2 guys behind me complained about us standing and were very upset about it. My first reaction was to tell them that we come to every game and stand and just because they come to one game and tell us to sit we are not going to comply. I then realised that they do have a right to ask us to sit so I aksed them if they wanted to switch seats. They agreed, we all shook hands and everyone was happy. Just a thought.

T-Bird
03-17-2009, 09:50 AM
Techno and I have had many similar experiences. At one game we were told that we were ruining the game for everybody with our standing and chanting...we had a few extra tickets that we somehow couldn't get rid of so we moved to different seats and were basically told the same thing. Again, we left and the complainers actually cheered for our exit! Our solution...sneak into the supporters section or one that is standing/chant friendly! ;)

Stugatzo
03-17-2009, 09:53 AM
Advice from the masses?


Yah...move to an S.S.
Seriously, there are good reasons people choose not to stand for the duration of a game. Speaking for my section 225, we have a good rowdy, loud and knowledgeable lot. When there's reason to stand and celebrate, we do.
However, there's no co-relation between support and standing.
I'm sure in KC this weekend and Columbus the next, I will be standing because I will be in a supporters section. I'm good with that.
As long as the section is cheering, chanting and supporting, who gives a fuck if you're sitting or standing?
:noidea:

rocker
03-17-2009, 09:58 AM
As long as the section is cheering, chanting and supporting, who gives a fuck if you're sitting or standing?
:noidea:

I agree with you. I hope this whole "must stand" thing never migrates to my section (125). My father, who is an old blizzard season ticket holder, is 65 years old and comes to every game, and he can't stand for 90 minutes. But we are as focused on the game, maybe more focused, than anyone in 112 or 113. One can chant while sitting too ;)
I'm more of a yeller. as the players come close to my section, I like to individually taunt the opposition players. but my eyes are always on the ball, not a capo or whatever. and I'm not standing blocking the view of the kids or short women behind me.

standupforthetfc
03-17-2009, 10:11 AM
Advice? Punch anyone in the face that doesn't stand. ;)

For once I agree with you haha :D

Shaughno
03-17-2009, 10:19 AM
and as usual, I was not being serious!

trane
03-17-2009, 10:20 AM
Advice? Punch anyone in the face that doesn't stand. ;)


I was about to try that in 104, and then I almost got escorted out by the police.

Shaughno
03-17-2009, 10:22 AM
:lol: Trane, just make sure it's an away fan. :D

Erkan16
03-17-2009, 06:17 PM
i am in section 104... so everyone will have a heard time keeping me down, especially considering we have the visitor supporters right behind us.

why section 104 is not official supporters i dont know, but hopefully everyone near me will help make it an unofficial one.

Get In There
03-17-2009, 06:24 PM
First off, not a chance, I have a couch and a TV at home to sit and watch!

For those of us not sitting in supporters sections I'm curious to know if you actually plan to listen to the 'no prolonged standing rule'??? Or if it will be enforced?

I'm in 105, 4 rows up. There are about 15-20 of us that are dieing to stand/chant but there are 5-10 that will never stand that sit behind me. Most of the time we stand and things have been getting better and better since day one.
The biggest problem is that we are closest to the standing/chanting/screaming away fans (if/when they show up). Telling us that we should sit and listen to them is heartbreaking. How can you force us to sit when 'that' is right in your face!?

I love my section, I don't want to move, I want it to come alive. We don't need full supporters section status - so things don't get out of hand too close to their fans - we just want the right to support our team.

Advice from the masses?

Thanks - Soccerballhat guy.



AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!

You guys are great man - nice to meet ya.

I'm in 106 about 2 rows higher - the vocal guy in my highly scalped section.

"no prolonged standing rule" - ah - that's relative, we'll see how it fleshes out. Remind staff you are a season ticket holder and stay calm - things will be ok

B

RedRum
03-17-2009, 06:28 PM
Stand and chant for every game until someone comes up to tell you to sit. Push the envelope without the risk of getting kicked out.

127 and 111 were not considered supporters sections before. People in those sections supported and the FO listened and made it official.

shawn6597
03-17-2009, 06:40 PM
does anyone know at what row in 104 the away support starts?

StandUpIfYouHateChelsea
03-17-2009, 06:51 PM
does anyone know at what row in 104 the away support starts?

eff away support this is our house! i say unless we sell out , dont let other epople but tickets also its whack if your gunna have an away section BLOCK IT OFF FROM THE REST. ohh also FUCKING UNITE THE SG's already this childish shit is getting soo old

StandUpIfYouHateChelsea
03-17-2009, 06:53 PM
and oh why shouldnt you be forced to sit if your not in a SG thats what a SG is for , UNTIL a seperate end is deignated for supporters i think you sould just sit down ....

shawn6597
03-17-2009, 06:54 PM
eff away support this is our house! i say unless we sell out , dont let other epople but tickets also its whack if your gunna have an away section BLOCK IT OFF FROM THE REST. ohh also FUCKING UNITE THE SG's already this childish shit is getting soo old

yeah but the away section still exists so...
can anyone answer this who hasnt already been to the bar for st. pats lol

mlsintoronto
03-17-2009, 08:02 PM
so when we told you about the growing of the supporters sections, and the new policy about sitting vs standing (which is TFC trying to accommodate their fans) you simply say f-u and will wait and see? well if the people behind you complain you'll be asked to sit down. if you don't sit down, you'll be asked to leave. Pretty simple.

Loads of people moved their locations to adjust how they enjoy the game (some want to stand, others don't). It worked for (literally) hundreds of people.

but you're different how?

StandUpIfYouHateChelsea
03-17-2009, 08:29 PM
so when we told you about the growing of the supporters sections, and the new policy about sitting vs standing (which is TFC trying to accommodate their fans) you simply say f-u and will wait and see? well if the people behind you complain you'll be asked to sit down. if you don't sit down, you'll be asked to leave. Pretty simple.

Loads of people moved their locations to adjust how they enjoy the game (some want to stand, others don't). It worked for (literally) hundreds of people.

but you're different how?

he isint , he just didnt take the time to move seats ..... also what is the point of the legal stuff on the back of a ticket if it is never enforced outside the stadium , and also do you have good relations with the police? because they never ticket scalpers , heck scalpers weekly harass people on your property , i wonder if contacting a higher level of government might help?. Also would a club sponsored ticket exchange help curb scalping? especially if there was a cap on how much you could charge... It seems if the club really took a stranglehold on its tickets it might be able to sort out the scalper parasite. And for people who think scalpers generate hype.... They dont a 13,000 person waiting list does though. Without scalpers the stadium would always be full and there would still be hype ! ...

talk about off topic.... but i had to let it out :canada: i say we lobby the gov't as caring supportrs to fork up some cash for stadium expansion! then more fans get in , we get our own supporters only secion scalpers can scalp crappy high up seats , and EVERYONE is happy!:canada:

THA BUTCHA
03-17-2009, 09:52 PM
so when we told you about the growing of the supporters sections, and the new policy about sitting vs standing (which is TFC trying to accommodate their fans) you simply say f-u and will wait and see? well if the people behind you complain you'll be asked to sit down. if you don't sit down, you'll be asked to leave. Pretty simple.

Loads of people moved their locations to adjust how they enjoy the game (some want to stand, others don't). It worked for (literally) hundreds of people.

but you're different how?


I think TFC FO have been great handling this issue so far.

Brooker
03-18-2009, 07:11 AM
standupifyouhatechelsea does kinda have a point.

they're ignoring the no scalping rule but enforcing another like nazi's.

i must say, i saw at times the scalpers getting violent with eachother and fans..... as couples with their kids walk right past towards BMO.

Shaughno
03-18-2009, 07:17 AM
so when we told you about the growing of the supporters sections, and the new policy about sitting vs standing (which is TFC trying to accommodate their fans) you simply say f-u and will wait and see? well if the people behind you complain you'll be asked to sit down. if you don't sit down, you'll be asked to leave. Pretty simple.

Loads of people moved their locations to adjust how they enjoy the game (some want to stand, others don't). It worked for (literally) hundreds of people.

but you're different how?

Not to be a dick Paul, but hundreds of the probably few thousand who all want to be in standing areas. I have no problem with people sitting as long as they are involved, but tossing someone out for standing seems ludacris and over the top considering there are KNOWN scalpers and scalped seats and I'm sure plenty other issues that could be addressed.

Again, not trying to belittle you or your decisions. I think you've done a pretty decent job so far, but to boot someone for standing? Ok if they're being a dick about it, but I know people who were unable to move their seats because of one reason or another who would LOVE to be in a supporters section. Instead they deal with people yelling at them to sit down. I know my one buddy has swapped seats with people to shut them up.

Mark in Ottawa
03-18-2009, 07:18 AM
I think TFC FO have been great handling this issue so far.
^^ +1

redcard
03-18-2009, 07:22 AM
you guys need to find pick the right battles, there was a lot of notice given about where you can stand and where you need to sit...would you like it better if the FO came out and enforced a no standing rule for the entire stadium?

and dont think they are worried about you leaving as a STH, they have plenty more lined up waiting to take your seats.

Shaughno
03-18-2009, 07:24 AM
^^ Who's picking battles? I was stating my opinion on the subject.

Brooker
03-18-2009, 07:29 AM
you guys need to find pick the right battles, there was a lot of notice given about where you can stand and where you need to sit...would you like it better if the FO came out and enforced a no standing rule for the entire stadium?

and dont think they are worried about you leaving as a STH, they have plenty more lined up waiting to take your seats.

im in 112 but i can still empathize with them. im sure we'd both be annoyed in their position.

T-Bird
03-18-2009, 08:19 AM
you guys need to find pick the right battles, there was a lot of notice given about where you can stand and where you need to sit...would you like it better if the FO came out and enforced a no standing rule for the entire stadium?

and dont think they are worried about you leaving as a STH, they have plenty more lined up waiting to take your seats.

Are there actually designated "No Standing" sections?

I don't think anyone is trying to argue and to be fair not everyone has seats in the supporters section and not everyone wants to give up their seats just for the off chance they will get better ones in a section where people don't mind if you stand.

I don't think they will ever tell us that we can't stand in the stadium that would just be stupid, unless they want to play in silence...like the leafs

TFC Cityboy
03-18-2009, 08:36 AM
^^ more a case of specific "standing" sections, as it's assumed that most people will use those red plastic seat-shaped beer-holders to park themselves on to watch the match.
I think the FO has been as responsive as they can be, given the capacity restrictions.

This is directly from the TFC site
NEW TORONTO FC SUPPORTERS SECTIONS FOR 2009We want to make sure that our house remains a place that can be enjoyed by everyone, and also allows like-minded fans to support our club together in their own way. After a lot of thought and a lot of feedback, we’ve decided to designate more sections at BMO Field as ‘Supporters Sections’. Our definition of a ‘Supporters Section’ is an area where standing throughout match play is allowed, as well as the use of flags, banners, drums and streamers. Therefore, in addition to Sections 112 through 118, Sections 111, 119, 127, and the top half of 110 allow this behaviour for 2009 and beyond. All other sections will be expected to remain seated throughout the games, unless match play suggests otherwise.

These changes will affect a lot of our fans. It’s important for those that may want to sit in these sections to understand that their view may be obstructed during match play, and maybe this isn’t the spot for you. Don’t worry, we have plenty of other areas in the stadium may be a better fit, including our Family Section in 227 if you have young children.

drewski
03-18-2009, 08:46 AM
Not to be a dick Paul, but hundreds of the probably few thousand who all want to be in standing areas. I have no problem with people sitting as long as they are involved, but tossing someone out for standing seems ludacris and over the top considering there are KNOWN scalpers and scalped seats and I'm sure plenty other issues that could be addressed.

if the standing in those area's negatively effects other's enjoyment of the game, which I assume is what would be required to have people complain and have you asked to sit down, then it makes sense for the person to be tossed if they don't comply with with the request to sit from the staff. Afetrall, if there was no punishment (ejection) then there would be no incentive for fans to comply with staff requests and things could get out of hand really quickly.

as for the the relation to other infractions that aren't being addressed, they should be, but regardless, that isn't a good excuse for saying this rule shouldn't be enforced.

Shaughno
03-18-2009, 08:54 AM
if the standing in those area's negatively effects other's enjoyment of the game, which I assume is what would be required to have people complain and have you asked to sit down, then it makes sense for the person to be tossed if they don't comply with with the request to sit from the staff. Afetrall, if there was no punishment (ejection) then there would be no incentive for fans to comply with staff requests and things could get out of hand really quickly.

as for the the relation to other infractions that aren't being addressed, they should be, but regardless, that isn't a good excuse for saying this rule shouldn't be enforced.

Every person who pays for a ticket is entitled to enjoy themselves at the match, whether that be standing or sitting. I have no problem with that. Not every one can get into a supporter/standing area, for whatever reason. Are you telling me these people can't enjoy the match in that manner without being tossed?

There are ways to rectify the situation before tossing someone out of the stadium for standing. Ask them to switch seats with the person complaining so that those standing would be behind those sitting. Ask for the person who wants to stand, to move to another section or the beer garden. Like I said, if someone is being a dick about it, sure toss them. But there is no need to be tossing fans because they want to stand. Maybe the security will be better this year, but I'd bet that all it takes is a single complaint to get tossed instead of politely trying to solve the problem first.

olegunnar
03-18-2009, 09:01 AM
Not to be a dick Paul, but hundreds of the probably few thousand who all want to be in standing areas. I have no problem with people sitting as long as they are involved, but tossing someone out for standing seems ludacris and over the top considering there are KNOWN scalpers and scalped seats and I'm sure plenty other issues that could be addressed.


I respect the stories of people that have elderly relatives that can't stand for 90 minutes, or the people that say they can be involved even while sitting (how? I don't know but that's not me). There has to be rules for standing/sitting.

What gets me about these policies is the fact that a one time person that could not give two shits about TFC and shows up 20 minutes late, spends half the time on their cell phone and the other half asking the other people in the group what snacks they might want, laughs when the other team scores....suddenly is going to get someone who bleeds red kicked out of a game for supporting.

I know rules are rules, and I appreciate the difficulty the FO has in dealing with everyone and keeping everyone happy. I just don't see the "fairness" in it especially given how the FO usually bends over backwards for season ticket holders.

redcard
03-18-2009, 09:07 AM
I know rules are rules, and I appreciate the difficulty the FO has in dealing with everyone and keeping everyone happy. I just don't see the "fairness" in it especially given how the FO usually bends over backwards for season ticket holders.

There are STHs that expect to be sitting...and FO has to listen to them as well...SGs are not the only STHs that attend the matches and support the team.

Shaughno
03-18-2009, 09:10 AM
I respect the stories of people that have elderly relatives that can't stand for 90 minutes, or the people that say they can be involved even while sitting (how? I don't know but that's not me). There has to be rules for standing/sitting.

What gets me about these policies is the fact that a one time person that could not give two shits about TFC and shows up 20 minutes late, spends half the time on their cell phone and the other half asking the other people in the group what snacks they might want, laughs when the other team scores....suddenly is going to get someone who bleeds red kicked out of a game for supporting.

I know rules are rules, and I appreciate the difficulty the FO has in dealing with everyone and keeping everyone happy. I just don't see the "fairness" in it especially given how the FO usually bends over backwards for season ticket holders.

And that's exactly my point. I understand catering to those who don't/can't stand, but it's not very fair to those who would like to. Most of the people who actually NEED to sit down, don't mind if people are standing around them, or are at least polite about asking them to move/sit/swap/etc. It's the people who don't give two fucks, won't be there the next week, etc. that tend to complain the most about it. My grandparents sat down when they went to the match and they thoroughly enjoyed themselves, even with people standing in front of them for periods of the match. Not once did they yell at anyone, "SIT DOWN ASSHOLE" or "sit down you're blocking my view".

If you want to play the 'fairness' card, at least work with both sides. That's all I'm saying.

Shaughno
03-18-2009, 09:11 AM
There are STHs that expect to be sitting...and FO has to listen to them as well...SGs are not the only STHs that attend the matches and support the team.


Read my last two posts. It can be solved without tossing people. I have given tickets to people who sat down the whole match, enjoyed themselves and never once bitched about people standing. Not all of the people standing are in SG's either. :rolleyes:

drewski
03-18-2009, 09:15 AM
Every person who pays for a ticket is entitled to enjoy themselves at the match, whether that be standing or sitting. I have no problem with that. Not every one can get into a supporter/standing area, for whatever reason. Are you telling me these people can't enjoy the match in that manner without being tossed?

if their enjoyment has a greater negative effect on the enjoyment of others around them, then within reason, ya.

while i understand having to sit through a game might not be the best most enjoyable way to watch a game, I know I love to stand and cheer sometimes, in the end you can still do a great job supporting your team on while sitting and still get some enjoyment out of the game. whereas if your a sitter, you're pretty much screwed out of enjoying the game if they guy in front of you is standing and blocking your view.

ideally, the people in the area should maybe talk this out pregame and maybe even swap seats so that everybody, the standers and sitters are happy, but that isn't always gonna happen.

and I just want to be clear that I think they should be tossed only after they have been given fair warning and continue to disobey the requests of the staff.

olegunnar
03-18-2009, 09:18 AM
There are STHs that expect to be sitting...and FO has to listen to them as well...SGs are not the only STHs that attend the matches and support the team.

Then you missed the point of my post.


There are a lot of scalpers tickets and tickets managed by groups. Those tickets are sold on a game by game basis. My experience with those types of people/fans is not in the least positive (by that I mean food being thrown at us, beers thrown on the field by them, said beer thrower not wearing a bra and closing his shirt eventhough he really needed to, verbal abuse, and a total lack of interest in the game going on on the field). Oakville soccer club cough cough.

My point is that the enforcement of the rules needs to take into account who is involved.

If you have someone that goes to every game that's supporting the team, and you have some lardass that shows up late, leaves early and inbetween stuffs their face with nachos and gabs on their cell phone...it's unfortunate that the supporter doesn't get the benefit of the decision.

Shaughno
03-18-2009, 09:19 AM
if their enjoyment has a greater negative effect on the enjoyment of others around them, then within reason, ya.

while i understand having to sit through a game might not be the best most enjoyable way to watch a game, I know I love to stand and cheer sometimes, in the end you can still do a great job supporting your team on while sitting and still get some enjoyment out of the game. whereas if your a sitter, you're pretty much screwed out of enjoying the game if they guy in front of you is standing and blocking your view.

ideally, the people in the area should maybe talk this out pregame and maybe even swap seats so that everybody, the standers and sitters are happy, but that isn't always gonna happen.

and I just want to be clear that I think they should be tossed only after they have been given fair warning and continue to disobey the requests of the staff.


But what about those who want to stand? Being told to sit isn't negatively effecting their experience?

It's totally a double standard IMO. I personally can't enjoy a match as much as I'd like to if I'm sitting. Trust me, I almost got kicked out of Old Trafford for standing because I didn't know you couldn't.

I said it a few times, it can be resolved in a respectful manner if the 'sitters' would actually take the time to ask instead of calling for security at the first opportunity. Which, has already happened and will continue to happen.

Arnie Knows
03-18-2009, 09:22 AM
so when we told you about the growing of the supporters sections, and the new policy about sitting vs standing (which is TFC trying to accommodate their fans) you simply say f-u and will wait and see? well if the people behind you complain you'll be asked to sit down. if you don't sit down, you'll be asked to leave. Pretty simple.

Loads of people moved their locations to adjust how they enjoy the game (some want to stand, others don't). It worked for (literally) hundreds of people.

but you're different how?
Do you think for one minute that this person MLSinToronto is on the Supporters side .. My opinion is no he is not ..He is allowed to just sit in here and buddy buddy with everyone for the sole reason of keepin the group at arms length .. MLSE knows how to use the law and policies etc to keep u in line .. It does make me laugh that for the most part this MLSintoronto humors and plays along with all this stuff but seriously its a song and dance .. Supporters are a big part of event here but can be a bother to the general audience ..

Steve
03-18-2009, 09:29 AM
Every person who pays for a ticket is entitled to enjoy themselves at the match, whether that be standing or sitting. I have no problem with that. Not every one can get into a supporter/standing area, for whatever reason. Are you telling me these people can't enjoy the match in that manner without being tossed?



Yeah! Personally, I like to enjoy a match while standing on the person in front of me, who are they to complain! Their right to enjoy a match without being stood on is equal to my right to enjoy a match while standing on their head!

Seriously though, you're not talking about equal rights here. You can't do something that seriously takes away from someone elses enjoyment of the game, unless you are in a specific section designated for that type of activity. I mean sure, if an entire section wants to stand up, and there are 1 or 2 holdouts I would say you have a point, but what if it's a small group of people in the front rows, and the rest of the section wants to sit? Well, in order to see the game (which is what most people pay for) the people directly behind (and diagonally) the small group of people need to stand up too. Then, those behind the people standing because the first group is standing, and so on and so on. Eventually you have a group of 5 people forcing hundreds to stand when they DON'T WANT TO! When did personal rights and freedoms turn into the right to take away other people's rights?

Personally, I'm in a no standing section. Would I rather be in a supporter's section? Of course I would, but I couldn't get tickets there. Will that make me stand up and ruin the game for everyone behind me? No, because I'm not an ass. Apparently common curtesy isn't so common anymore, so BMO staff needs to have some kind of disincentive to it. I'm sure they wouldn't kick you out right away, they will come and warn you first, but if you keep standing (after repeated warnings) what do you expect them to do?

Shaughno
03-18-2009, 09:34 AM
Yeah! Personally, I like to enjoy a match while standing on the person in front of me, who are they to complain! Their right to enjoy a match without being stood on is equal to my right to enjoy a match while standing on their head!

Seriously though, you're not talking about equal rights here. You can't do something that seriously takes away from someone elses enjoyment of the game, unless you are in a specific section designated for that type of activity. I mean sure, if an entire section wants to stand up, and there are 1 or 2 holdouts I would say you have a point, but what if it's a small group of people in the front rows, and the rest of the section wants to sit? Well, in order to see the game (which is what most people pay for) the people directly behind (and diagonally) the small group of people need to stand up too. Then, those behind the people standing because the first group is standing, and so on and so on. Eventually you have a group of 5 people forcing hundreds to stand when they DON'T WANT TO! When did personal rights and freedoms turn into the right to take away other people's rights?

Personally, I'm in a no standing section. Would I rather be in a supporter's section? Of course I would, but I couldn't get tickets there. Will that make me stand up and ruin the game for everyone behind me? No, because I'm not an ass. Apparently common curtesy isn't so common anymore, so BMO staff needs to have some kind of disincentive to it. I'm sure they wouldn't kick you out right away, they will come and warn you first, but if you keep standing (after repeated warnings) what do you expect them to do?

And what about those who bitch, yell, throw shit, and complain to security at the first opportunity, even though they'll probably never attend another match during the entire season? Those tend to be the most vocal about the issues in the stands.

Anyway, apparently everyone neglected to read my earlier posts where I said I have no problem with people sitting or standing, but be fair about it instead of straight up tossing someone out. Which trust me, has and will continue to happen.

I'm in 112, so I really don't give a shit. I was just trying to give insight to the OTHER side of things which apparently is forbidden. :rolleyes:

Steve
03-18-2009, 09:38 AM
And what about those who bitch, yell, throw shit, and complain to security at the first opportunity, even though they'll probably never attend another match during the entire season? Those tend to be the most vocal about the issues in the stands.

Anyway, apparently everyone neglected to read my earlier posts where I said I have no problem with people sitting or standing, but be fair about it instead of straight up tossing someone out. Which trust me, has and will continue to happen.

I'm in 112, so I really don't give a shit. I was just trying to give insight to the OTHER side of things which apparently is forbidden. :rolleyes:

Sure, those who throw things need to be kicked out since that's also against the rules. All I'm saying is, it isn't ridiculous for the club to insist on people sitting down in non SG sections. A few people standing can ruin the game for a lot of people who want to sit. So, if you have tickets in a sitting section, just know you'll have to sit, because if you do stand, you'll be blocking the match from a bunch of other people, which isn't fair at all (and being forced to sit doesn't impact your enjoyment nearly as much as being forced not to see).

And yes, I agree that they should be fair, but tossing someone should always be an option. If it isn't an option, people will just not listen to security at all. I think security should come in and warn those standing first, but again, if they don't head the warnings, why not remove them?

Stugatzo
03-18-2009, 09:39 AM
...It does make me laugh that for the most part this MLSintoronto humors and plays along with all this stuff but seriously its a song and dance.

It's true!
Paul is one of the funniest guys I know and is one helluva dancer!!
:hump:
Your other points are just silly.

Sonny Cheeba
03-18-2009, 09:40 AM
sitting and standing doesn't make a difference for the atmosphere in most of the stadium. outside of the bottom of 112 and 113, and now all of 127, people stand but i notice the cheering is lacking. even in 111, 110. yeah the sections are "supporters sections" but i'd say roughly 50% of people in 111 don't chant anything other dan Dichio24 or The Massive, and it's an even lower number in 110.

what's my point. we can stand in these sections, but the person next to you will still be talking about some ski trip they have planned in the off season. i'm not getting down on these sections, i love 110, but the extra support within these sections is localized to a scattered minority. this is my opinion based on last season. i used to have the mentality that we should all "stand up for the tfc" because that's what i do, but i really can't give a fuck. i just want people to get into the game and stop talking about wee willy's lovely macaroni mother's day card.

Steve
03-18-2009, 09:44 AM
Do you think for one minute that this person MLSinToronto is on the Supporters side .. My opinion is no he is not ..He is allowed to just sit in here and buddy buddy with everyone for the sole reason of keepin the group at arms length .. MLSE knows how to use the law and policies etc to keep u in line .. It does make me laugh that for the most part this MLSintoronto humors and plays along with all this stuff but seriously its a song and dance .. Supporters are a big part of event here but can be a bother to the general audience ..

You're one of those "damn the man" people aren't you? You think any large corporation is evil, and only there to steal your money?

Anyway, did it every occur to you that Paul could be on the supporters' side AND on MLSE's side? He helps MLSE make money, by keeping the supporters happy. Yes, of course you have to read his posts as someone who works for MLSE, but that doesn't make him a bad-guy like you are accusing him of.

brad
03-18-2009, 09:48 AM
but what if it's a small group of people in the front rows, and the rest of the section wants to sit? Well, in order to see the game (which is what most people pay for) the people directly behind (and diagonally) the small group of people need to stand up too. Then, those behind the people standing because the first group is standing, and so on and so on. Eventually you have a group of 5 people forcing hundreds to stand when they DON'T WANT TO!

I hope security is trained to handle exactly this case if it comes up. I can see a situation where someone at the back complains to security, and the people in front of them get kicked out, even though they are only standing to see over the other people in front of them.

olegunnar
03-18-2009, 09:48 AM
And what about those who bitch, yell, throw shit, and complain to security at the first opportunity, even though they'll probably never attend another match during the entire season? Those tend to be the most vocal about the issues in the stands.



Thatr's what I'm talking about. Maybe I'm unlucky...but pretty much everygame I've been to I've seen those types of people. They're the same ones that are up and down and back and forth through the ailses while the game is on.

That said I believe that if someone wants to stand and the season ticket holders in the section respectfully ask them to sit down, they should sit...or leave.


Sure, those who throw things need to be kicked out since that's also against the rules. All I'm saying is, it isn't ridiculous for the club to insist on people sitting down in non SG sections.

But there's a grey area...you're allowed to stand when the excitement on the field warrants it. That's the rules.
I think the interpretation of the rules when there is a grey area needs to be slanted towards the more frequent ticket holder.
Any idiot can show up for one game and can whine and complain that they aren't getting their way....that's dangerous.

Shaughno
03-18-2009, 09:51 AM
That said I believe that if someone wants to stand and the season ticket holders in the section respectfully ask them to sit down, they should sit...or leave.



Agreed, and I've never said anything otherwise as some people seem to think. ;)

scooter
03-18-2009, 09:53 AM
the FO has bent over backwards for STH and paul etal are doing a great job

if you want to stand stand but if someone objects take the path of least resistance and sit down or move

unfortunatly i agree with scalper tickets but that doesnt give anyone the right to be rude because of how these folks obtained their tickets
i am sure the front office is working on scalper issues but its only year 3 so be patient grasshopper

BOTTOM LINE---ITS OUR HOUSE SO LETS MAKE IT A GREAT PLACE TO WATCH A GAME AND SUPPORT OUR TEAM

lets all get along with everyone and make game day what its supposed to be a united group of supporters for tfc

Pachuco
03-18-2009, 09:57 AM
I absolutely detest sitting. In fact, once I sit my chants dissapear and I get angry to the point where I start bashing Ruiz (ok that was for other reasons). However, if someone asks me nicely to sit then I'll sit for most of the game. If someone is a prick about it, then they'll get my rear end the entire game. I would go as far as sitting when the security guy looks and standing otherwise :)

I'm in 109, so looks like I'll be sitting alot this year...arrrghhh.

Mrs. Workie
03-18-2009, 09:57 AM
Workie was asked to sit down in 127 last season (our seats are in row 11). I had to laugh....

Shaughno
03-18-2009, 09:59 AM
the FO has bent over backwards for STH and paul etal are doing a great job


Off topic, but they've listened to us on certain issues for sure. Bending over backwards? Hardly, they do what they can within their realm and that is what should be expected.

drewski
03-18-2009, 10:03 AM
But what about those who want to stand? Being told to sit isn't negatively effecting their experience?

It's totally a double standard IMO. I personally can't enjoy a match as much as I'd like to if I'm sitting. Trust me, I almost got kicked out of Old Trafford for standing because I didn't know you couldn't.


as you said, you can't enjoy a match "AS MUCH" if you're sitting. I know I can't enjoy a match at all if I'm sitting and having my view blocked or trying to look around a stander.


so, in the end, my point is that, in general, since the person sitting behind the stander is more negatively affected then the stander that is forced to sit, the stander should sit as they would be inconvenienced less

Pachuco
03-18-2009, 10:08 AM
as you said, you can't enjoy a match "AS MUCH" if you're sitting. I know I can't enjoy a match at all if I'm sitting and having my view blocked or trying to look around a stander.


so, in the end, my point is that, in general, since the person sitting behind the stander is more negatively affected then the stander that is forced to sit, the stander should sit as they would be inconvenienced less

Not to be a dick, but your argument makes no sense. If you were really going to have that argument of who is more negatively effected then it's You standing and watching the game (because the person is standing in front of you) or the person in front of you having to sit all game (because you decided you want to sit).

Having said that, if you are a kid, elderly, handicapped or have another reaosn to sit, then I don't mind sitting for you at all.

Shaughno
03-18-2009, 10:16 AM
as you said, you can't enjoy a match "AS MUCH" if you're sitting. I know I can't enjoy a match at all if I'm sitting and having my view blocked or trying to look around a stander.


so, in the end, my point is that, in general, since the person sitting behind the stander is more negatively affected then the stander that is forced to sit, the stander should sit as they would be inconvenienced less

Dude, I never said that people should stand regardless of other people's opinions. My point is that this rule will be over-enforced IMO and GOOD people will be tossed without a single warning.

You certainly cannot enjoy a match if you get tossed because some tosser showed up 30 mins into the match, doesn't like that you're standing and instead of asking you politely to sit down, goes directly to security and has you tossed.

PS. you can technically enjoy a match sitting with someone blocking your view, you just choose not to. ;) I don't always have a clear view even when I'm standing, but I CHOOSE not to let it effect my game day experience.

Parkdale
03-18-2009, 10:17 AM
I found myself standing a few times in the first season, mostly when a player was on a rush to the net. I got a tap on my shoulder once, and it was a middle aged guy. He asked if I wouldn't mind sitting, just because I was blocking his father's view. Next to the 40 year old, was a guy who looked about 70. He can't jump up to watch over my shoulder, so I've been sitting ever since*

* durring play, obviously we all jump up during goals.


In the end, you have to enjoy the game experience within the limits of your section. Clearly it's not all black and white, but the people right around do set the precedent.

Nomad
03-18-2009, 10:18 AM
It really wasn't all that hard to move into standing sections during relocation. Even people who just got the rights to tickets transfered before Oct had a chance. When relocation was happening there was still seats left in 127 at the very last day on the very last appointment.

If you had tickets and could move i have no sympathy.

If you just got tickets now, stfu, bide your time and you'll be relocated when the time comes.

If standing means that much to you, it's pretty easy to sneak into standing sections...

Arnie Knows
03-18-2009, 10:18 AM
True he maybe a true supporter of supporters

Shaughno
03-18-2009, 10:21 AM
I found myself standing a few times in the first season, mostly when a player was on a rush to the net. I got a tap on my shoulder once, and it was a middle aged guy. He asked if I wouldn't mind sitting, just because I was blocking his father's view. Next to the 40 year old, was a guy who looked about 70. He can't jump up to watch over my shoulder, so I've been sitting ever since*

* durring play, obviously we all jump up during goals.


In the end, you have to enjoy the game experience within the limits of your section. Clearly it's not all black and white, but the people right around do set the precedent.

This is what I've been saying all along. If someone politely asks you to sit down, move or whatever. Fine, no problem at all.

jabbronies
03-18-2009, 10:22 AM
In the end, you have to enjoy the game experience within the limits of your section. Clearly it's not all black and white, but the people right around do set the precedent.

As I said - Majority Rules..... If you can get everyone standing up, then that's where the rules can be bent. But if there are people not willing to stand, and you are in a nonstanding area...then you'll be sitting on your arse for the rest of the game.

Nomad
03-18-2009, 10:22 AM
My point is that this rule will be over-enforced IMO and GOOD people will be tossed without a single warning......

You certainly cannot enjoy a match if you get tossed because some tosser showed up 30 mins into the match, doesn't like that you're standing and instead of asking you politely to sit down, goes directly to security and has you tossed.


Who said that was going to happen?

Shaughno
03-18-2009, 10:23 AM
It really wasn't all that hard to move into standing sections during relocation. Even people who just got the rights to tickets transfered before Oct had a chance. When relocation was happening there was still seats left in 127 at the very last day on the very last appointment.

If you had tickets and could move i have no sympathy.

If you just got tickets now, stfu, bide your time and you'll be relocated when the time comes.

If standing means that much to you, it's pretty easy to sneak into standing sections...

It's not that hard when you can get to the stadium during the process. I can't afford to take off a day to drive down to Toronto to relocate and I'm sure others are the same.

egoodwin
03-18-2009, 10:23 AM
Or stand in the beer garden if you have too

Nomad
03-18-2009, 10:24 AM
It's not that hard when you can get to the stadium during the process. I can't afford to take off a day to drive down to Toronto to relocate and I'm sure others are the same.

I was 3200km away during relocation. I had someone do it for me.

We also had people in our group call their rep and had it done because they couldn't make it.

Parkdale
03-18-2009, 10:24 AM
As I said - Majority Rules..... If you can get everyone standing up, then that's where the rules can be bent. But if there are people not willing to stand, and you are in a nonstanding area...then you'll be sitting on your arse for the rest of the game.

same thing applies with flags.

I've seen people try to use flags in non-supporters sections, and we all know how controversial 'flags-during-play' can be in the actual supporters sections.

JDG
03-18-2009, 10:26 AM
True he maybe a true supporter of supporters

He does support us. He can't do everything that we ask for, but he has shown over and over again that he listens, and will act when he can.
I've beenh involved from the beginning, and have been amazed at the Front Office's willingness to consult the supporters. It started more than 6 months before the first game, and continues to this day.
Have we got everything we've asked for? No
Heve we benefited form the relationship we have with mlsintoronto? Absolutely - everyone in the stands has.

trane
03-18-2009, 10:30 AM
^ The problem is that we have more supporters then supporters sections.

Nomad
03-18-2009, 10:31 AM
^ The problem is that we have more supporters then supporters sections.

No we don't.

We have too many people in supporters section just there for the cheap seats.

MG42
03-18-2009, 10:32 AM
same thing applies with flags.

I've seen people try to use flags in non-supporters sections, and we all know how controversial 'flags-during-play' can be in the actual supporters sections.

I had a few flags in 111 last year and someone in row 8 was telling me to put them down :lol:

trane
03-18-2009, 10:33 AM
Nomad,

That is exactly what happened to 104 we probably have like 20 if not supporters who could not get tickets to the south end, and now it has been turned into a sitting only section. I personally can go either way, but there are some games that you just want to stand all game long, and not being able too is a downer.

jabbronies
03-18-2009, 10:34 AM
No we don't.

We have too many people in supporters section just there for the cheap seats.

Or scalpers have them..

drewski
03-18-2009, 11:10 AM
Dude, I never said that people should stand regardless of other people's opinions. My point is that this rule will be over-enforced IMO and GOOD people will be tossed without a single warning.

You certainly cannot enjoy a match if you get tossed because some tosser showed up 30 mins into the match, doesn't like that you're standing and instead of asking you politely to sit down, goes directly to security and has you tossed.

ok, looks like we had a bit of a miscommunication. The situations I'm talking about are where the stander has been given a warning by the staff, doesn't comply THEN is tossed, whereas it seems you're talking about a situation where the person doesn't receive a warning and is just tossed, which I agree is wrong.

brad
03-18-2009, 11:57 AM
What I can say is this..

There will be few things more depressing this year than seeing 104/105 being forced to sit down all match (which will kill any attempted atmosphere) while the Columbus or Impact fans next to us mock us...

Pachuco
03-18-2009, 12:37 PM
What I can say is this..

There will be few things more depressing this year than seeing 104/105 being forced to sit down all match (which will kill any attempted atmosphere) while the Columbus or Impact fans next to us mock us...

I guess the thing is do you really expect MLSE to designate 104/105 a supporter's section when the visiting team's supporters sit in that section? that would be asking for trouble.

brad
03-18-2009, 01:47 PM
I guess the thing is do you really expect MLSE to designate 104/105 a supporter's section when the visiting team's supporters sit in that section? that would be asking for trouble.

Not at all. I understand the reasons for not making it a supporters section based on the proximity to the visitors. I also understand if they force everyone to sit down based on the rules they've laid out in advance (I may not like it, but I made the choice to stay).

That said, it won't make it an easier to endure the taunts of the opposition when we've got nothing to give back.

T-Bird
03-18-2009, 02:00 PM
^^ more a case of specific "standing" sections, as it's assumed that most people will use those red plastic seat-shaped beer-holders to park themselves on to watch the match.
I think the FO has been as responsive as they can be, given the capacity restrictions.

This is directly from the TFC site
NEW TORONTO FC SUPPORTERS SECTIONS FOR 2009We want to make sure that our house remains a place that can be enjoyed by everyone, and also allows like-minded fans to support our club together in their own way. After a lot of thought and a lot of feedback, we’ve decided to designate more sections at BMO Field as ‘Supporters Sections’. Our definition of a ‘Supporters Section’ is an area where standing throughout match play is allowed, as well as the use of flags, banners, drums and streamers. Therefore, in addition to Sections 112 through 118, Sections 111, 119, 127, and the top half of 110 allow this behaviour for 2009 and beyond. All other sections will be expected to remain seated throughout the games, unless match play suggests otherwise.

These changes will affect a lot of our fans. It’s important for those that may want to sit in these sections to understand that their view may be obstructed during match play, and maybe this isn’t the spot for you. Don’t worry, we have plenty of other areas in the stadium may be a better fit, including our Family Section in 227 if you have young children.

Ok that makes sense! We only had problems at one game and when people got angry we went to different seats. I think that was the only time the entire season we even attempted to go to our actual seats

Pachuco
03-18-2009, 03:16 PM
Not at all. I understand the reasons for not making it a supporters section based on the proximity to the visitors. I also understand if they force everyone to sit down based on the rules they've laid out in advance (I may not like it, but I made the choice to stay).

That said, it won't make it an easier to endure the taunts of the opposition when we've got nothing to give back.

Yeah agreed. However, if you have to sit down I'm sure they have to as well. So if I see them standing up I'd tell security until they are all kicked out..haha.

Shakes McQueen
03-18-2009, 03:40 PM
If I'm seated outside the supporter's section, I will only stand for tense moments of play, and goals.

You have to be mindful and respectful of the people sitting around you, who shouldn't have their view of the game obstructed. Not everyone wants to stand and cheer the entire game, but they have just as much right to be there, and see the game, as anyone else.

That said, they really need to do more to accommodate the people who DO want to stand the entire time. The supporter's section is still brutally small - it really needs to be bigger, and more tickets to the section really should be distributed to the groups themselves.

I'd personally love to be in the south stand every game, but often I get stuck out in the boring "expensive" sections, and have to listen to some well-to-do knobs behind me blather on about their RRSP's, and some TV show they watched last night (yes, this really happened).

- Scott

mlsintoronto
03-18-2009, 06:05 PM
Every single person has been given the opportunity to sit in a standing section. We did not sell out of 127 during the upgrade process. By passing on the opportunity, you're saying your ok with where you are.

Not sure where some people are seeing a grey area. I love this debate though!

TFC_Toon
03-18-2009, 06:11 PM
Every single person has been given the opportunity to sit in a standing section. We did not sell out of 127 during the upgrade process. By passing on the opportunity, you're saying your ok with where you are.

Not sure where some people are seeing a grey area. I love this debate though!

Today's news of possible stadium expansion is encouraging though...:)
Also 127 is not RPB even if we are United in our support.

Parkdale
03-18-2009, 06:11 PM
I love this debate though!

you like watching us get all riled up dontcha you troll!



personally, I think a little kneeling (and praying) at the stadium couldn't hurt.

THA BUTCHA
03-18-2009, 06:12 PM
I wonder if these people that wanna sit in the south end have ever actually sat there?
its a terrible place to WATCH the game.

Sure the atmosphere is great BUT the sight lines are terrible.

You might not read it here, but i'm sure there are are peeps that would love to trade the odd game or two with people that sit in the "sitting sections" just so they can switch up the vibe.

I've been in sitting sections and I find it's just as enjoyable watching the game there.

jloome
03-18-2009, 06:16 PM
Not to be a dick Paul, but hundreds of the probably few thousand who all want to be in standing areas. I have no problem with people sitting as long as they are involved, but tossing someone out for standing seems ludacris and over the top considering there are KNOWN scalpers and scalped seats and I'm sure plenty other issues that could be addressed.

Again, not trying to belittle you or your decisions. I think you've done a pretty decent job so far, but to boot someone for standing? Ok if they're being a dick about it, but I know people who were unable to move their seats because of one reason or another who would LOVE to be in a supporters section. Instead they deal with people yelling at them to sit down. I know my one buddy has swapped seats with people to shut them up.

I'm never going to understand why people think they have a right, unless stated, to ruin someone else's afternoon just because they can't control their testosterone enough to stay planted on their ass for a couple of hours.

On top of that, it was established years ago in Britain that standing sections lead to accidents and injuries, because people get too boisterous. If you're in a section that allows it, more power to you. Otherwise, "scalpers don't obey, so why should I" is merely a juvenile excuse to have two people do the wrong thing instead of just one.

TFC_Toon
03-18-2009, 06:52 PM
I wonder if these people that wanna sit in the south end have ever actually sat there?
its a terrible place to WATCH the game.

Sure the atmosphere is great BUT the sight lines are terrible.

You might not read it here, but i'm sure there are are peeps that would love to trade the odd game or two with people that sit in the "sitting sections" just so they can switch up the vibe.

I've been in sitting sections and I find it's just as enjoyable watching the game there.

Your point on sightlines is accurate IMO and I have been in the southend, from a perspective of seeing the game unfolding form a midfield angle it takes on a different perspective indeed.

In the seating sections it is simply that, no standing although depending on the match you can find yourself out of your seat quite often as you get caught up with the play, at least for me anyway. Having said that though I would not ruin the experience for any of my fellow supporters.

egoodwin
03-18-2009, 06:59 PM
actually, I like the end angle better than the side angle

also, standing or sitting doesn't screw up the atmosphere as when some clipboard office whore comes rampaging down the aisles just as a play is developing

TFC_Toon
03-18-2009, 07:01 PM
actually, I like the end angle better than the side angle

also, standing or sitting doesn't screw up the atmosphere as when some clipboard office whore comes rampaging down the aisles just as a play is developing

Yep, that would do it for sure.:rolleyes:

mighty_torontofc_2008
03-18-2009, 07:19 PM
he isint , he just didnt take the time to move seats ..... also what is the point of the legal stuff on the back of a ticket if it is never enforced outside the stadium , and also do you have good relations with the police? because they never ticket scalpers , heck scalpers weekly harass people on your property , i wonder if contacting a higher level of government might help?. Also would a club sponsored ticket exchange help curb scalping? especially if there was a cap on how much you could charge... It seems if the club really took a stranglehold on its tickets it might be able to sort out the scalper parasite. And for people who think scalpers generate hype.... They dont a 13,000 person waiting list does though. Without scalpers the stadium would always be full and there would still be hype ! ...

talk about off topic.... but i had to let it out :canada: i say we lobby the gov't as caring supportrs to fork up some cash for stadium expansion! then more fans get in , we get our own supporters only secion scalpers can scalp crappy high up seats , and EVERYONE is happy!:canada:

thats not true..i seen a few scalpers being led away by TO's finest last season...how they pick up certain ones and not them all i have no idea
ask the cops that one..but they do get busted..

TFC OZZ
03-18-2009, 07:35 PM
My father and I have been Season's ticket Holders in section 123 row 8 (MLSE VIP Section) since day one, and no one stands or sings in our section except for us, and the two middle aged guys directly in front of us, and one guy that screams his guts out a couple rows back at every touch of the ball. It's pretty frustrating really, we try and stand up as much as possible, but there are just so many snobby rich folks (as far as I'm concerned anyways)- also that seem to be different people every game - that just want to sit there and talk about what the offside rule is, how John Carver is Welsh and Robinson is from England, and how Brennan should be subbed off because he doesn't score enough.

It makes me pretty angry really, because we come to every game with our faces painted ready to cheer, and are yelled at to sit down and stop being so loud. I've been trying to push my dad to get seasons tickets in 112 for two years now, but he won't because he like the view you get too much...

Either way, this season, we're standing until we're told to leave the section.

torontocelt
03-18-2009, 08:14 PM
I understand what everyone has to say about standing but it does worry me to think that some people on this forum seem to think that by standing this seems to make them a more superior supporter to those that do not stand. Support can obviously be shown in different ways and not everyone wants to be standing all game, this does not make them an inferior or undeserving supporter.

The notion that an atmosphere can only be created by people standing is simply wrong, I have been to watch games at several different stadiums throughout Britain and even in Australia where the game is not exactly massive and I can assure you that the atmosphere was good despite people only standing when goals are scored or good chances are created. Some supporters in the UK were admittedly gutted when stadiums were changed to all seaters and it did impact on atmosphere however it would be wrong to say that all atmosphere was lost. I have been to Celtic Park many times and the atmosphere at times is incredible especially on Champions league nights, it gives you a tingle up your spine and people do not stand all game there.

I guess what I am trying to say is basically Toronto is a new club, it is not steeped in history song wise and for a lot of people football is still a new thing. People might not know how to act, what to sing or even who is playing on the team but the fact of the matter is that they have paid there money and they are at least there making an effort. Without these people TFC would not be half the success it is just now and without their money it is possible TFC could turn into a failed franchise so cut these guys some slack and respect their wish to sit in non standing areas.

scooter
03-19-2009, 07:36 AM
hopefully this season we will score so many goals no on will have time to sit down between them

brad
03-19-2009, 08:16 AM
Paul, a question for you if you are still reading this.

Will the security be telling everyone in the non-supporters sections to sit down automatically, or only if there are complaints?

The reason I ask - I'm a couple of rows from the back of my section, and everyone around and behind me stands by choice.

T-Bird
03-19-2009, 08:46 AM
I understand what everyone has to say about standing but it does worry me to think that some people on this forum seem to think that by standing this seems to make them a more superior supporter to those that do not stand. Support can obviously be shown in different ways and not everyone wants to be standing all game, this does not make them an inferior or undeserving supporter.


Completely 100% incorrect. I stand at every game and it has nothing to do with the extent of my support for the team. I just can't sit when I am excited, tense, etc. If you saw me at a hockey game I would be standing as well.

mlsintoronto
03-19-2009, 08:47 AM
we're not looking for trouble. I'd say in your case it would be triggered by complaints.

If you're in the front row (and therefore causing a ripple effect of standing back 10 rows and blocking the little old lady in the 11th row) we'd likely have security / ushers show some initiative.

But if you get called out - I'd expect you to comply. I don't want people dropping my name to security saying "Paul Beirne said its ok!" This happens at least 4 time a game...

Pyeddo
03-19-2009, 08:51 AM
Is there a group that stands at the top rail in 105? I'm in that section now and want to stand, but at the same time appreciate that I'm not located in a designated fan zone.... so to keep everyone happy, i'm wondering if I can migrate to the top and stand there? (worried there might be too large a group already for me to add another body to)

Any 105ers that can answer my q? Thanks in advance

Gobi
03-19-2009, 08:58 AM
I'm gonna guess that top rail/back of the section won't be a problem.
Who's behind you to tell you to sit?
105 has nice thing going on up there. It's the huge group in the middle I'm worried about.

brad
03-19-2009, 09:04 AM
Is there a group that stands at the top rail in 105? I'm in that section now and want to stand, but at the same time appreciate that I'm not located in a designated fan zone.... so to keep everyone happy, i'm wondering if I can migrate to the top and stand there? (worried there might be too large a group already for me to add another body to)

Any 105ers that can answer my q? Thanks in advance

That's were I am - top of 105. There is most always a group of people up there standing, and most of the time there are a bunch of empty seats in the area.

Parkdale
03-19-2009, 09:07 AM
If you're in the front row (and therefore causing a ripple effect of standing back 10 rows and blocking the little old lady in the 11th row) we'd likely have security / ushers show some initiative.

so what you're saying....

is that we should knock out the old lady in the 11th row and tell security "Paul Beirne said its ok!"


gotcha!

anto7
03-19-2009, 09:11 AM
I'm gonna guess that top rail/back of the section won't be a problem.
Who's behind you to tell you to sit?
105 has nice thing going on up there. It's the huge group in the middle I'm worried about.
That is probably the group that I am in that you are refering to. I guess we will have to play it game by game and adjust accordingly. I certainly do not want to spoil anybody else's game experience but if I can stand without doing so then that would be my preference. I do not stand because I think it makes me a better supporter(as a previous poster has suggested). I do it because I find it to be more fun and tends to promote more singing. If people want to sit and not sing that is perfectly fine by me, just not my cup of tea. I am from Belleville and did not have the oppotunity to get to BMO for the ticket exchange event. Also, I really like the view from my seats so I do not really want to move anyway. If I end up having to sit down then so be it.

phonzo
03-19-2009, 09:48 AM
4 pages impressive...when there is no real point to be made other then..

stand..if someone asks you to sit you ask to switch seats..continue standing
else
sit or find others that are standing near rails or sneak into supporter areas and voila..i should flow chart this logic.

by the way I'm in 104 this season...I'll stand (way I prefer to enjoy live events not because omg this makes me a better supporter then the guy sitting 4 rows away) till someone asks me to sit thankfully for once genetics blessing me with a lack of height may pay off.

As for complaining the FO is going to enforce the sitting policy..your surprised. Their obligation isn't just to you but to all 20,000 people that have paid to be at the game. So unfortunately some people need to get over themselves and realize this is a communal event and as a community you are there to support our boys in red.

As for scalping..I understand people are pissed off about it..who isn't but must this issue be brought into almost every thread lately? People get tickets how they get tickets. This does not make them some scum of the earth. I understand they can ruin the atmosphere in a supporters area but there will be some people that buy tickets for that area and sit and cheer with everyone else. I sat there once only after the game did I figure out where my buddy got our tickets but we stood beside the drummer and chanted all game...so shit I must be the scum of the earth too.....

Pyeddo
03-19-2009, 01:24 PM
Thanks Gobi/Brad/anto7... I look forward to introducing myself on the 4th.

EENIE MAN
03-19-2009, 03:30 PM
I am in 120, row 4. all the supporters in front off me are season ticket holders (including myself) . I have made friends with these supporters , we know the game, players,chants, ect. I have never missed a game and have 2 seats side by each. When I invite friends to the game i tell them "We cheer and STAND for the whole game". They usally say " Eenie, you stand and cheer watching games at home!" I guees the problem i have is that this year my section is deemed "non-standing section" . I have had problems with the people behind me , whom i have not seen twice at a game ever. (execept for the ol' scotish boy Tom and his lovley wife who stand and cheer as much as WE do.) EVERYONE in front of me STANDS & CHEERS! I tell the "SIT & WANKS' " ....'If you want me to sit you have to teel the other 35-40 supporters in front of me to sit also." this has ruined a couple games for me, somewhat.Not being able to concentrate on the game and support my club , instead; arguing with the "SIT & WANKS' " or missing the game trying to find other places to watch , hell i even gone up to the top off the stairs but then got asked to move out of the aslie. 119 is a "standing" sect. this year , I will prolly go STAND & CHEER with those supporters. Any SUPPORTERS in 120 feel the same way i do PM me , lets get somthing started! TORONTO FC TIL' I DIE! i mean that ,heck, I tattooed it on my arm!

rocker
03-19-2009, 03:52 PM
I think the most important thing about attending a game is watching the game. We can agree on that right? Some people like to watch while sitting. Some people like to watch while standing. Designated sections are best, and until you can get into one, you need to respect the majority of that section.

I attend just about every game, I pay more $$$$ per year on my season's tickets than 4-5 seats in the south end combined, and I like to sit and watch a match. My 65 year old dad likes to sit and watch a match. But if you want to see intensity, watch my father. He's not talking to me, he's not watching the hot girls come up the aisle, he's not eating any food or drinking any beer. He's entirely engrossed in the match, shouting at the enemy when they come near our section. Would standing make it more enjoyable? nope, not when his knees hurt or some drunk knocks into him with over-exuberance while singing a song. He's also short, so he's have his view half-blocked anyways. And my father is hard core.. played second division soccer in Germany, coached in Canada for years, attended a World Cup, was a Blizzard season ticket holder. Gotta respect that and not assume everyone who wants to sit is some scalper-ticket-buying or corporate cunt.

OnlyOneKeano
03-19-2009, 03:52 PM
EENIE MAN

^^I sit right in front of you methinks! Me and my red-headed buddy have had seasons from the start. It was funny how last year worked, I had no plan to stand all the time, but every game we were at we stood and cheered and gave'r. Should be interesting to see what happens this year, hopefully no big probs. I understand the prob for peeps behind, but the way it started with guys in front of us standing, then us, then the guys behind, it definitely grew to a large group. Oh well can't wait til the 4th!

EENIE MAN
03-19-2009, 04:09 PM
^^^^ No doubt mate. Thinking about starting a SUPPORTERS group this year. (will have more info on game day) Fuckin' love to watch matches with y'all. See ya soon! 1st beer's on me!TFC!