2009 Salary info

[Sullivan]

2009 Salary info
http://www.mlsplayers.org/files/3_2_09_salary_info_club.pdf

as at March 2, 2009

.................................................. ...2009 2009 Guaranteed

Club Last Name First Name Pos Base Salary Compensation


TFC Barrett Chad F $195,000.00 $202,500.00
TFC Brennan Jim D $185,000.00 $193,250.00
TFC Cronin Sam M $36,000.00 $84,000.00
TFC DeRosario Dwayne M $357,000.00 $357,000.00
TFC Dichio Daniel F $120,000.00 $120,000.00
TFC Edwards Brian GK $39,600.00 $48,350.00
TFC Frei Stefan GK $65,000.00 $108,000.00
TFC Gala Gabe D $34,000.00 $34,000.00
TFC Guevara Amado M $300,000.00 $323,750.00
TFC Harmse Kevin M $79,200.00 $79,200.00
TFC Ibrahim Fuad F $75,000.00 $108,000.00
TFC Ricketts Rohan M $165,000.00 $165,000.00
TFC Robinson Carl M $ 300,000.00 $315,000.00
TFC Serioux Adrian D $119,070.00 $131,570.00
TFC Smith Johann F $45,000.00 $56,666.67

TFC Sutton Greg GK $157,500.00 $165,062.50
TFC Velez Marco D $63,000.00 $63,500.00
TFC Vitti Pablo F $288,000.00 $303,000.00
TFC White O'Brian F $36,000.00 $113,000.00
TFC Wynne Marvell D $57,000.00 $159,500.00

[Nuvinho]

Thanks for the info.

I was way off on the rookies....and yet some people thought I was overpaying them....haha

[JDG]

TFC DeRosario Dwayne M $357,000.00 $357,000.00
TFC Guevara Amado M $300,000.00 $323,750.00
TFC Robinson Carl M $ 300,000.00 $315,000.00
TFC Vitti Pablo F $288,000.00 $303,000.00
TFC Barrett Chad F $195,000.00 $202,500.00
TFC Brennan Jim D $185,000.00 $193,250.00
TFC Ricketts Rohan M $165,000.00 $165,000.00
TFC Sutton Greg GK $157,500.00 $165,062.50
TFC Dichio Daniel F $120,000.00 $120,000.00
TFC Serioux Adrian D $119,070.00 $131,570.00
TFC Harmse Kevin M $79,200.00 $79,200.00
TFC Ibrahim Fuad F $75,000.00 $108,000.00
TFC Frei Stefan GK $65,000.00 $108,000.00
TFC Velez Marco D $63,000.00 $63,500.00
TFC Wynne Marvell D $57,000.00 $159,500.00
TFC Smith Johann F $45,000.00 $56,666.67
TFC Edwards Brian GK $39,600.00 $48,350.00
TFC White O'Brian F $36,000.00 $113,000.00
TFC Cronin Sam M $36,000.00 $84,000.00
TFC Gala Gabe D $34,000.00 $34,000.00


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[Nuvinho]

I have updated all the salaries, and how much allocation we are supposed to have.

So, without the 2 Gambians we have approx. $276,650 left.

[DOMIN8R]

....and great work on the Salaries JDG (corrrrrrrrected)

[RedsYNWA]

It's good to know I make more than half the team :)

[Nuvinho]

Did anyone notice that Amado's salary went up over $100K. Ricketts, DD, and Robbo all took significant paycuts.

[DOMIN8R]

The GA players got a huuuuge jump.

[neuf]

I'm sure this has been covered before, but what's the difference between base and guaranteed?

[djking2]

We've got a number for Gala but not Attakora?

[oxygenatedbrain]

The GA players got a huuuuge jump.

Explain?

Also, show of hands: who doesn't see a number for Nana?

[rocker]

Nana's listed in the PDF on the union site.. 34000.

[T_Mizz]

Where's the updated cap space thread located?

[jloome]

I'm sure this has been covered before, but what's the difference between base and guaranteed?

Base is the number that counts against the cap. Guaranteed is the amount they're contractually guaranteed to earn when you add in various incentives and bonuses (i.e. allocation top ups, allowances etc.).

[jloome]

Wow, they have a lot of faith in Cronin and Frei. Not so much in White, although they're paying him a lot of guaranteed year-one cash but with a base that could save them face is he bites chunks at this level.

How much was robbo last year? I think he's actually making the same, isn't he? Ricketts seems to be down a bit. Edwards' is surprisingly high for guaranteed income, given how much harder that would make him to trade. Given his US callup last year, I assume that's because there's some overhype at play.

Danny D's taking one for the team, big time. Fucking legend, that guy. If he has to buy a meal again in TO in the future it'll be a crime.

Looks like Johann's in tough to stick around, based on that deal.

[Nuvinho]

Base is the number that counts against the cap. Guaranteed is the amount they're contractually guaranteed to earn when you add in various incentives and bonuses (i.e. allocation top ups, allowances etc.).

So using the base, we are $310K over the cap. But using allocation and the guaranteed amounts.......we have about $275K to use (not including the Gambians)

[jloome]

So using the base, we are $310K over the cap. But using allocation and the guaranteed amounts.......we have about $275K to use (not including the Gambians)

Other way around. Using the base, we have $275k to go around. Using the guaranteed, we'd be $310K over.

[deltox]

interesting that Frei is getting paid more than Edwards.

whats that about?

[Nuvinho]

^^ most GAs get more.

[woolly]

Say what you like about his skill and constant stepovers, Johann has to be the biggest bargain at that salary.

[rocker]

Edwards' is surprisingly high for guaranteed income, given how much harder that would make him to trade.

Edwards is actually making very little... $48K ain't much really.

[BakaGaijin]

Edwards is actually making very little... $48K ain't much really.

Agreed. That's a bargain for a quality back-up and a prospect.

[jloome]

Edwards is actually making very little... $48K ain't much really.

I don't disagree, but the reality in this league is that third goalies usually make league min, $34,000.

In all, I'd have to say we have a very healthy salary structure, well balanced. I think DD will prove underpaid if he stays healthy this season, as his strike rate is second-to-none; he's just fragile due to age. But compared to other teams (Ives and Steve Goff have broken down the Red Bulls and DC United respectively on their blogs) there's far more balance from top to bottom, a more gradual curve in salary discrepancies.

[cougars732]

TFC Ibrahim Fuad F $75,000.00 $108,000.00

not bad for a 17 year old kid eh

[Shway]

^ovverrpaiddd

[Pigfynn]

we don't pay him though do we.

[rocker]

ya, ibby is overpaid .. but that's the point of Generation Adidas... you overpay kids (relative to the pay in the league) to keep them around. it's not about immediate performance.

[Pachuco]

^ovverrpaiddd

How else do you plan to keep prospects around? That's life. You think he's overpaid, but yet Mo Edu was making that much at an older age and we sold him for $5Mil. It's not overpaying, it's making an investment.

[Redpunkfiddle]

Much as I hate to see it, the model of a well balanced pay sheet is Columbus.


I don't disagree, but the reality in this league is that third goalies usually make league min, $34,000.

In all, I'd have to say we have a very healthy salary structure, well balanced. I think DD will prove underpaid if he stays healthy this season, as his strike rate is second-to-none; he's just fragile due to age. But compared to other teams (Ives and Steve Goff have broken down the Red Bulls and DC United respectively on their blogs) there's far more balance from top to bottom, a more gradual curve in salary discrepancies.

[TFC OZZ]

Amado Guevera is making practically double what he made last year.

[ensco]

1) anyone know if TFC get a credit against the cap for games guys miss for international duty? we better hope they do, because if not....
Guevara is making WAY too much given the number of games he is going to miss (at least 6, could be as many as 10 or 12)

2) biggest crime in the MLS:

TFC Dichio $120,000
DAL Cooper $108,000

DAL Cunningham $267,000

[Sullivan]

Ante Jazic (CHV) D $90,000.00 $98,500.00
Will Johnson (RSL) F $51,200.00 $64,771.43
Pat Onstad (HOU) GK $181,650.00 $181,650.00

DCU's Dejon Jakovic not listed yet.

Teams by total salary (base salary (most to least)):
Team..............Base.........Guaranteed..
Los Angeles...$8,119,376.82...$9,313,290.53
Chicago.......$4,613,878.75...$5,053,799.08
New York......$3,176,575.04...$3,564,688.41
Seattle.......$3,087,404.00...$3,270,904.00
DC United.....$2,909,750.00...$3,133,964.28
Toronto.......$2,750,370.00...$3,164,349.17
Columbus......$2,607,130.50...$2,935,463.84
New England...$2,247,343.75...$2,397,093.75
Houston.......$2,115,260.05...$2,232,197.55
San Jose......$2,044,455.00...$2,150,102.60
Colorado......$2,039,729.99...$2,227,872.85
Dallas........$2,023,035.00...$2,323,509.60
Salt Lake.....$1,828,576.00...$2,060,398.86
Kansas City...$1,806,322.38...$1,961,572.38
Chivas USA....$1,803,977.33...$1,895,018.58
MLS..........$43,173,184.61..$47,684,225.48

EDIT: the league list came in an email from an avid big soccer reader, no link or explanation but I'm sure its from there - everything else he sends is.

free agent signings other club - HOU Boswell Bobby D $ 150,000.00 150,000.00
still a bargain.

[ensco]

Much as I hate to see it, the model of a well balanced pay sheet is Columbus.

KC also. Those two are using a completely different philosophy than everybody else.

[MartinUtd]

Wow, Guevara is getting 120k while Ricketts loses 50k. Also noticed that Robbo's touted pay cut was mere pocket change (or a dev player at about 12 grand)

[nick.mastro]

Chicago - 2
Columbus - 1
DC - 2
LA- 2
NewEngland - 2
NY - 1
Seatle - 2
SJ - 1
TFC - 3

this is how many players on each team have a salary of 300,000 or more. TFC having the most

[Rudi]

Chicago - 2
Columbus - 1
DC - 2
LA- 2
NewEngland - 2
NY - 1
Seatle - 2
SJ - 1
TFC - 3

this is how many players on each team have a salary of 300,000 or more. TFC having the most
Nick, TFC actually has four above 300,000 (if you take Guaranteed Compensation into account)

Robbo, DeRo, Guevara and Vitti.

[Stryker]

Barrett got a 400% pay increase.
Guevara is I think double what he was last year.

[MartinUtd]

1) anyone know if TFC get a credit against the cap for games guys miss for international duty? we better hope they do, because if not....
Guevara is making WAY too much given the number of games he is going to miss (at least 6, could be as many as 10 or 12)

2) biggest crime in the MLS:

TFC Dichio $120,000
DAL Cooper $108,000

DAL Cunningham $267,000


Dichio is making enough. He's still a team leader but he's also 34, injury prone and our 3rd striker. I'm glad he's still making more than 100k, but at the same time glad he took a pay cut from the $155 or so last year.

[rocker]

Dichio, Ricketts and Robinson were in the top 19 of player salary reductions this year.

http://www.mls-daily.com/2009/03/09-mls-salaries-biggest-drops.html

Barrett and Guevara were in the top 25 of highest increases

http://www.mls-daily.com/2009/03/09-mls-salaries-big-winners.html

[scut farkus]

Ricketts's reduction makes me wonder if he gets paid extra by MLSE for his "marketing" work. He has his blog, Twitter account, is often out at community outreach events...
Not sure if that's possible with the league and the CBA though.

[Big Bruva]

Ricketts's reduction makes me wonder if he gets paid extra by MLSE for his "marketing" work. He has his blog, Twitter account, is often out at community outreach events...
Not sure if that's possible with the league and the CBA though.

lol if he has some kinda deal like that he is very smart and should make a good amount lol

Im on twitter now omg (BigBruva) lol

wow never knew about getting a huge increase like that.

[Luanda]

A question, perhaps silly, but one that nonetheless needs to be asked.
How can anyone making, say, 50K or less, live in a place like Toronto?
Is there anything (else) behind those low salaries? For example, free accomodation? If affirmative, then another question arises. What, if anything, lies behind those higher salaries? Reference has been made, for example, to Ricketts possible having extra $ from MLSE for his "marketing" work.

[JonO]

Ricketts's reduction makes me wonder if he gets paid extra by MLSE for his "marketing" work. He has his blog, Twitter account, is often out at community outreach events...
Not sure if that's possible with the league and the CBA though.
I'd be very surprised if MLSE could pay him anything outside of his TFC salary... much to easy to get around the cap otherwise...

[joel]

People live in downtown toronto making $50k all over the place. When you play on a professional team you get tons of stuff paid for while you are 'on the job', it's not great but many people have hard jobs, commute and even have families on 50k in downtown toronto. I don't think that's a bad amount for a young player on a professional sports team, given the general MLS structure.

[TicTacTabarnack]

Edwards is actually making very little... $48K ain't much really.

Live rates at 2009.03.09 14:39:09 UTC 48,350.00 USD

=

62,843.84 CAD

United States Dollars Canada Dollars 1 USD = 1.29977 CAD 1 CAD = 0.769367 USD
Not too shabby considering the exchange rate. He's doing OK for a backup in MLS ... Living in Canada helps a little with the exchange tanking these days.

[JonO]

^^ Yeah but from what I understand our taxes eat into that. Although I wonder how it works in terms of taxes, given the single entity structure...

[rocker]

you can rent a condo (1 bed, 1 bath) right down from BMO there for $1300-1600 a month (look on MLS.ca, there are tonnes now for that range a short bike ride from BMO). with TV and other utilities that's 2000 or less per month, x 10 months. None of these guys owns a car... they just bike it down to the stadium. if yer making around 50K or more US you are fine.

given that they get money for being on the road (beyond their set pay), plus some meals are taken care of at BMO I believe, Edwards and the rest are doing fine I would think. The only guys who would be on the edge would be the dev players or the guys making the minimum. But Nana, for example, is also getting money from the Canadian government.

but i'd definitely like to know the tax implications on the players... cuz TFC doesn't pay them, so they aren't earning anything from a canadian company... how would that work?

[Nuvinho]

updated salary info:

Gomez ($20,100;$25,850)
Sanyang ($34,008;$40,563.55)

[trane]

Vitti will not be around, for long if he does not start and perform, same for sutton.

[Arnie Knows]

lol if he has some kinda deal like that he is very smart and should make a good amount lol

Im on twitter now omg (BigBruva) lol

wow never knew about getting a huge increase like that.


What the hell are you saying here ?? can you translate please?

[Dave67]

Can someone who understands the whole senior roster, international, domestic rules blah blah blah tell me if getting rid of Sutton is just as simple as getting rid of him now? Looking at that list I don't see him being around long if Frei plays well/is continued to be given the chance.

[giambac]

TFC DeRosario Dwayne M $357,000.00 $357,000.00
TFC Guevara Amado M $300,000.00 $323,750.00
TFC Robinson Carl M $ 300,000.00 $315,000.00
TFC Vitti Pablo F $288,000.00 $303,000.00
TFC Barrett Chad F $195,000.00 $202,500.00
TFC Brennan Jim D $185,000.00 $193,250.00
TFC Ricketts Rohan M $165,000.00 $165,000.00
TFC Sutton Greg GK $157,500.00 $165,062.50
TFC Dichio Daniel F $120,000.00 $120,000.00
TFC Serioux Adrian D $119,070.00 $131,570.00
TFC Harmse Kevin M $79,200.00 $79,200.00
TFC Ibrahim Fuad F $75,000.00 $108,000.00
TFC Frei Stefan GK $65,000.00 $108,000.00
TFC Velez Marco D $63,000.00 $63,500.00
TFC Wynne Marvell D $57,000.00 $159,500.00
TFC Smith Johann F $45,000.00 $56,666.67
TFC Edwards Brian GK $39,600.00 $48,350.00
TFC White O'Brian F $36,000.00 $113,000.00
TFC Cronin Sam M $36,000.00 $84,000.00
TFC Gala Gabe D $34,000.00 $34,000.00



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compensation includes what - bonuses? Wnne salary is 57k compensation is 159k
Cronin is 36k base with $113 compensation

is it base salry or potential compensation that hits the cap? It can make several hundres thosand $ difference in the cap room if the bonuses are not hit.

any idea on how much we are paying for Carver and Mo? Just curious how theeir salaries compare to some of the players.

[rocker]

Can someone who understands the whole senior roster, international, domestic rules blah blah blah tell me if getting rid of Sutton is just as simple as getting rid of him now? Looking at that list I don't see him being around long if Frei plays well/is continued to be given the chance.

well if his contract is not guaranteed from the start of the 2009 season he can be released in July without any obligation for further payment. but i seriously doubt Mojo would ever do that....

trading is probably not an option since he makes so much and he's an INT for every other team. Edwards would be easier to trade -- a fraction of the cost and he counts as American.

[KrazyKanadian]

MLS..........$43,173,184.61..$47,684,225.48


Wow, ARod makes more than the entire MLS.

[nfitz]

I'm assuming that there is no salary cap on management, coaching, etc.? This might well be our strength!